Official Driver of the race : Korean GP - Page 3

**Born Racer** · 17 Oct 2011, 20:36 (Ref:2972888)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

I could do it, but your name will be still in Alguersuari's list. Do you want it anyway ?

I'll leave it then. I don't want to skew the stats. I'm still happy with my original choice, but I felt Kovalainen merited some recognition there. Good to see someone's voted for him though.

**dtype38** · 17 Oct 2011, 20:57 (Ref:2972902)

Hamilton - definitely. Lots of people having a dig at him, under enourmous pressure to perform, then defends his postion for that long! Vettel wasn't under any pressure (he's already champion). He was just out there having some fun in the best car. I can't see how anyone could give it to him.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 17 Oct 2011, 21:01 (Ref:2972905)

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Originally Posted by dtype38

Hamilton - definitely. Lots of people having a dig at him, under enourmous pressure to perform, then defends his postion for that long! Vettel wasn't under any pressure (he's already champion). He was just out there having some fun in the best car. I can't see how anyone could give it to him.

It was a very mature piece of driving by Hamilton, something we haven't seen much of recently.

**Aysedasi** · 17 Oct 2011, 21:02 (Ref:2972907)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

I'll leave it then. I don't want to skew the stats. I'm still happy with my original choice, but I felt Kovalainen merited some recognition there. Good to see someone's voted for him though.

Yeah, some new member called Inane Khaki Evil OK.......

sparkione · 17 Oct 2011, 21:04 (Ref:2972910)

Button couldn't really stay with Hamilton.

********. He did.

sparkione · 17 Oct 2011, 21:07 (Ref:2972912)

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Originally Posted by sparkione

Button couldn't really stay with Hamilton.

********. He did.

Ok, then, if you prefer – 'big round spherical things, he did'.

Pick the bones out of that.

Teretonga · 17 Oct 2011, 22:26 (Ref:2972969)

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Originally Posted by herowassenna

I've been thinking about that. What Ferrari need is a driver who if he is in front of Alonso, won't be holding him up.
Massa has shown time and again that his most robust defence is against Alonso. Australia 2010 was the 1st case in point. Alonso could well have made the podium today but being stuck behind Massa neutralised his effectiveness.
I have no issue with them racing if Massa was actually a racer.

Well..... Massa was a racer ...... until Alonso showed up, and then he was told to fall in behind. Ferrari has reaped what it sowed, or what Fernando sowed....

**bjohnsonsmith** · 17 Oct 2011, 22:55 (Ref:2972997)

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Originally Posted by Teretonga

Well..... Massa was a racer ...... until Alonso showed up, and then he was told to fall in behind. Ferrari has reaped what it sowed, or what Fernando sowed....

I don't think Massa's accident has helped his situation and made him take more of a back seat.

JeremySmith · 17 Oct 2011, 23:23 (Ref:2973017)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I don't think Massa's accident has helped his situation and made him take more of a back seat.

Ditto...

Marbot · 18 Oct 2011, 00:53 (Ref:2973048)

God, I hate these 'driver threads'.

Anyone care to guess where Newey was at the weekend, whilst his RB7 was winning the constructors championship, again? (Rhymes with: Spilt-on-beans)

Should be same old same old, next year.

**Bononi** · 18 Oct 2011, 01:44 (Ref:2973055)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I don't think Massa's accident has helped his situation and made him take more of a back seat.

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Ditto...

Jeremy...

A very interesting interview he did last weekend...

herowassenna · 18 Oct 2011, 19:44 (Ref:2973472)

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Originally Posted by Teretonga

Well..... Massa was a racer ...... until Alonso showed up, and then he was told to fall in behind. Ferrari has reaped what it sowed, or what Fernando sowed....

Massa was never a racer, just over-taking a few cars does not make you a racer, its your mind set.
Thats why I find comments about Vettel not being a racer as ridiculous.

Massa was first told in Australia 2010 to move over as Alonso was quicker. Yet he didn't relent. Alonso lost out on a potential win because of this and a report by Mark Hughes reported that Alonso gathered all the main men together to change their working practice at Maranello.
Alonso is a selfish driver. So was Schumi, so was Senna. So is Vettel. So what? They are competitive animals.
After the British GP, Alonso said he could still win the WDC despite trailing by 47 points. He was absolutely spot on.
So Massa was asked to move aside in Germany. Big deal, it was the correct decision.
Smedley caused alot of problems that day, because he made it clear what was being asked, despite countless teams using team-orders since 2003 when they were banned.
No-one made a song and dance about Hamilton/ Kovalainen in 2008.

Massa may have been damaged after Hungary 09, but some people's blinkered views won't accept that Alonso would have beaten Massa into submission in 2007, 08 and 09 anyway.
Alonso is a racer, Hamilton, Vettel and Schumacher are racers. In bikes, you have Rossi, Simoncelli and Lorenzo that are racers.
Massa, Webber, Rosberg, Barrichello are fast drivers. Get over it...

I think the best combination I've ever seen was Senna/ Berger because you had genius and a team-mate that could beat him on occasion but understood that he was on a different level. Mclaren allowed them to race and it was honest.
Isn't it amusing, how people reluctantly credit Alonso with some brilliant drives, by saying that a car that's 3rd best can make the podium and challenge for wins. I have never heard Massa get any credit for his drives in a mediocre car...

Roll on 2012, hopefully a Ferrari that is equal to the pace and let's see what happens.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 18 Oct 2011, 23:32 (Ref:2973587)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Jeremy...

A very interesting interview he did last weekend...

Any chance of a translation?

JeremySmith · 19 Oct 2011, 00:20 (Ref:2973602)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Any chance of a translation?

http://translate.google.com/

**bjohnsonsmith** · 19 Oct 2011, 00:22 (Ref:2973604)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

http://translate.google.com/

Thanks,

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JeremySmith · 19 Oct 2011, 00:28 (Ref:2973607)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Jeremy...

A very interesting interview he did last weekend...

Thank you Bon I enjoyed reading between the lines, very good interview...

**bjohnsonsmith** · 19 Oct 2011, 00:52 (Ref:2973610)

An interesting interview. I hope I didn't lose too much in translation but I get the feeling Massa's putting on a brave face, in the face of adversity. It all hinges on next year.

JamesH · 20 Oct 2011, 13:43 (Ref:2974317)

Just read in Motorsport news, and don't know whether its been mentioned here, but Hamilton and Button had problems with their front wing for the entire race. LH was apparently running 10 points less downforce (whatever that means) that required, which is why he was complaining of understeer.

Puts both their drives in a different perspective.

Macca are currently investigating why there was such a problem.

Marbot · 20 Oct 2011, 13:49 (Ref:2974319)

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Originally Posted by JamesH

Just read in Motorsport news, and don't know whether its been mentioned here, but Hamilton and Button had problems with their front wing for the entire race. LH was apparently running 10 points less downforce (whatever that means) that required, which is why he was complaining of understeer.

Puts both their drives in a different perspective.

Macca are currently investigating why there was such a problem.

It was mentioned elsewhere that both drivers suffered with large amounts of understeer due to tyre debris getting stuck inside parts of their front wings. Both drivers had run out of adjustment on the front wing. Apparently it was Button who suffered from it to a greater degree because he was following Webber much more closely than Hamilton was following Vettel.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 20 Oct 2011, 13:57 (Ref:2974322)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

It was mentioned elsewhere that both drivers suffered with large amounts of understeer due to tyre debris getting stuck inside parts of their front wings. Both drivers had run out of adjustment on the front wing. Apparently it was Button who suffered from it to a greater degree because he was following Webber much more closely than Hamilton was following Vettel.

I noticed a lot more rubber than usual on the side of the track, so maybe not surprising the front wings got clogged.

View Poll Results: Driver of the race
Vettel	25	36.76%
Hamilton	10	14.71%
Webber	5	7.35%
Button	0	0%
Teflonso	2	2.94%
Massa	0	0%
Alguersuari	24	35.29%
Rosberg	0	0%
Buemi	0	0%
Di Resta	0	0%
Sutil	0	0%
Barrichello	0	0%
Senna	0	0%
Kovalainen	1	1.47%
Kobayashi	0	0%
Perez	0	0%
Trulli	0	0%
Glock	0	0%
Ricciardo	0	0%
Other	1	1.47%
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