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Old 19 Jun 2017, 01:16 (Ref:3745040)   #181
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But two Dunlop tires exploded. Swings and roundabouts.
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Old 20 Jun 2017, 16:18 (Ref:3745535)   #182
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I'm not too bothered by the fastest car not winning. If the fastest car is supposed to win then why should the competitors show up? Why bother with the race at all? I think anyone would agree that BoP kind of sucks, but I'm not sure what the answer is in this class. Would we prefer spec displacement, cylinder count, aspiration, layout, weight, etc? I don't know if there is an in between; I don't think there is and we all know run what ya brung isn't realistic. The BoP was massively better compared to last year and I'll take it. Hopefully it will continue to improve because I think it's probably the best way to go about it. I'm not looking for an argument, just throwing my thoughts out there. Hope you guys have a good day and don't get to caught up in race car rules.
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Old 20 Jun 2017, 17:23 (Ref:3745555)   #183
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The rumours on MWM were that Porsche will certainly be selling this as a customer car, and Ford is a possibility. We could see these cars in the Am class.
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Old 20 Jun 2017, 18:50 (Ref:3745569)   #184
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The rumours on MWM were that Porsche will certainly be selling this as a customer car, and Ford is a possibility. We could see these cars in the Am class.
I thought Porsche had all but confirmed the 'mid-engined' car would be available for '18? Sounded to me like they are just scouting how many to build on S365 back in April
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Old 20 Jun 2017, 19:47 (Ref:3745579)   #185
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Yeah Porsche will be, but Ford might be too. But I think that's a big might.
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Old 20 Jun 2017, 20:36 (Ref:3745596)   #186
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Ford should, it might make people like them a bit. A bit of goodwill into the sport.
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Old 21 Jun 2017, 02:21 (Ref:3745650)   #187
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The way that this years GTE race panned out, I wonder if the factory teams would benefit from a third or 4th car like Ford.

Porsche lost the 92 due to driver error.
Corvette lost the 64 due to loose wheel
Aston lost the 95 due to driver error
Ferrari lost the 82 and the 71 (or the 51) due to driver error.

Seems Porsche, Aston, Vette would benefit from a third car. When you enter the biggest race of the year, where the expressed goal is to win, doesn't it seem sensible to enter a 3rd car just for this race? To enter just two cars seems like you treat it like it's a regular season race, and have done nothing to increase your odds of winning the preferred race of the year.

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Old 21 Jun 2017, 03:47 (Ref:3745660)   #188
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The way that this years GTE race panned out, I wonder if the factory teams would benefit from a third or 4th car like Ford.

Porsche lost the 92 due to driver error.
Corvette lost the 64 due to loose wheel
Aston lost the 95 due to driver error
Ferrari lost the 82 and the 71 (or the 51) due to driver error.

Seems Porsche, Aston, Vette would benefit from a third car. When you enter the biggest race of the year, where the expressed goal is to win, doesn't it seem sensible to enter a 3rd car just for this race? To enter just two cars seems like you treat it like it's a regular season race, and have done nothing to increase your odds of winning the preferred race of the year.
It makes sense. The more cars you bring, the less the impact of each failure.

However, I think the two major barriers are budget and BoP. BoP is hit and miss. Doesn't matter how many cars you bring, if you're on the wrong side of BoP, you're not going to have a chance to win. And these GT teams most likely get smaller budgets. Fielding a third car involves having a spare race-ready chassis, extra parts for repairs, as well as three professionals drivers, and professional personnel. The logical thing to do is what Ferrari does in having two/three teams field their own cars.

Not to mention that GT cars are relatively durable. Did any GT cars retire due to mechanical failure? I don't remember any. Maybe the 64 but I don't remember the cause of how they lost the wheel.
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Old 22 Jun 2017, 13:05 (Ref:3746039)   #189
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Will the GTE cars still get more power in 2018? I just with they had like 100 hp more; looking at the fast cornering speeds, a little bit more grunt on the straights wouldn't hurt.
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Old 22 Jun 2017, 14:38 (Ref:3746063)   #190
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Will the GTE cars still get more power in 2018? I just with they had like 100 hp more; looking at the fast cornering speeds, a little bit more grunt on the straights wouldn't hurt.
I think they need to be lighter so their cornering speeds are higher. That was a big complaint from prototype drivers. They sit in the corners and go so much slower it's like a moving chicane. If they had better cornering speeds it wouldn't slow the prototypes so much when they reach them there. And with the same power they have now, they won't be hard to pass on the straights.
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I think they need to be lighter so their cornering speeds are higher. That was a big complaint from prototype drivers. They sit in the corners and go so much slower it's like a moving chicane. If they had better cornering speeds it wouldn't slow the prototypes so much when they reach them there. And with the same power they have now, they won't be hard to pass on the straights.
I thought GTE cars did have good cornering speed. At Daytona, just like Le Mans, the prototypes use low downforce aero kit. But at Daytona in the infield section the GTLM cars were able to stay with the DPI's pretty darn good even in the dry. It was only on the banking when the DPI/LMP2 cars pulled away.
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Old 22 Jun 2017, 17:41 (Ref:3746112)   #193
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I thought GTE cars did have good cornering speed. At Daytona, just like Le Mans, the prototypes use low downforce aero kit. But at Daytona in the infield section the GTLM cars were able to stay with the DPI's pretty darn good even in the dry. It was only on the banking when the DPI/LMP2 cars pulled away.
Could be the tires on the prototypes in that series contributing to it as well
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Old 22 Jun 2017, 22:40 (Ref:3746160)   #194
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The reason why the LMP2s were sped up was to give them more top speed to pass GT cars down the straights. Aside from two high profile driver errors when overtaking GT cars, there were far less incidents/accidents and close calls this year.

I don't exactly agree with giving the LMP2s enough engine power to rival LMP1s in terms of top speeds, but it was a change for the better.

As Audi showed against LMP2 cars in the ALMS and Peugeot showed against Audi, it's easier to overtake and defend down a straightaway than in a corner or in braking.
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I thought GTE cars did have good cornering speed. At Daytona, just like Le Mans, the prototypes use low downforce aero kit. But at Daytona in the infield section the GTLM cars were able to stay with the DPI's pretty darn good even in the dry. It was only on the banking when the DPI/LMP2 cars pulled away.
GT cars have good cornering speed in low speed corners. Everything in the infield at Daytona is a low speed corner, given the kink is flat for anything but a GTD. (maybe) Prototypes are massively quicker through the bus stop though.

LM kits didn't even exist at the time of Daytona and it's questionable whether the teams would even want to use them. Deal with the FIA probably means they can't.
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