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Old 1 Apr 2022, 17:57 (Ref:4105100)   #1626
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Old 2 Apr 2022, 10:21 (Ref:4105146)   #1628
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Honestly I can't understand why people are so surprised that this "new" car can actually move... if CLM can move, why shouldn't this car move? You're all watching the same car with just a differnt bodywork.
Don't know if they could ever get ACO/FIA LMH homologation, but I hope for them they would be allowed to run with the same 940kg/600hp bop of alpine since that tub was made according to lmp2/lmp1 specs of 10 years ago... ballast it up to >1030kg would be a chassis/setup suicide.
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Honestly I can't understand why people are so surprised that this "new" car can actually move... if CLM can move, why shouldn't this car move? You're all watching the same car with just a differnt bodywork.
We're being largely facetious......
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They are basing it on an old chassis and mechanicals and they are only just getting to track. Progress is slow. This old car wasn’t that competitive before either.

They are basing it round an inappropriate and old chassis that is unsuitable for the current rules. It’s not grandfathered in the rules it is meant to be for the new rules. Bopping it will be a nightmare.

I suspect many will continue to be facetious on this topic. I get it.

I’d probably still let it race, but I can see why the ACO have the position they do. For this and other reasons.

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Old 2 Apr 2022, 12:25 (Ref:4105156)   #1631
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Old 2 Apr 2022, 13:49 (Ref:4105159)   #1632
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Thanks for a sound voice in the debacle Graham!
It is a bit pathetic of ByKolles to use the public opinion to put pressure on ACO for a car that is scrapped together by old bits.
They have sponsor obligations and this is probably the best way to do it, but they should stop playing a victim, when they made their own bed.
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Can anyone point to a source that this car is a rehash of their lmp1 chassis? I thought the tub dimensions were different in hypercar. And there are nearly no engine limitations beyond power, so the Gibson isn't an old bit necessarily. The bodywork is clearly all new, just curious to find out more about the car.
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Old 2 Apr 2022, 15:57 (Ref:4105165)   #1637
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Besides the CLM and 'Vanwall' looking somewhat similar, do we have actual proof or valid statements they share the same chassis/tub?
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No idea. But the minimum weight of a non-hybrid LMP1 was about 830kg. The minimum weight of a non-hybrid Hypercar is about 1030kg. The idea that they have bolted in 200kg of lead or tungsten or depleted uranium seems crazy even by ByKolles's usual standards. Doesn't it?
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Besides the CLM and 'Vanwall' looking somewhat similar, do we have actual proof or valid statements they share the same chassis/tub?
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No idea. But the minimum weight of a non-hybrid LMP1 was about 830kg. The minimum weight of a non-hybrid Hypercar is about 1030kg. The idea that they have bolted in 200kg of lead or tungsten or depleted uranium seems crazy even by ByKolles's usual standards. Doesn't it?
As pointed out in that link. Pure madness.

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I thought the tub dimensions were different in hypercar. And there are nearly no engine limitations beyond power, so the Gibson isn't an old bit necessarily. The bodywork is clearly all new, just curious to find out more about the car.
Some stuff from 2020. It has really been a whirlwind of development:
May 2020.

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“So we were trying to find a different solution for an engine and there was not really another option. Because our car is built like a Formula 1 car, we need a stressed engine.

“So it’s not like I take an engine from an Alfa Romeo and I put it in the car, because our hypercar philosophy is different to Glickenhaus’ philosophy.
Some vague stuff about the monocoque
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However, the engine uncertainty resulted in a delay in the delivery of the first monocoque, which was due to arrive at ByKolles’ facility in Germany three months ago.



“We are finalizing the electronics,” explained Kolles.

“We now know which engine we will run, and we know the gearbox and the suspension.

“We are now in phase seven of the hypercar program. It started in phase one, but we are now in phase seven.”
By May 2020 they were already in phase 7 of development. What is the the testing phase we’ve just seen. Phase 62?

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That's a post from a member here, not actual proof though.
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It's good that it's coming out to test, it's a start at least. If they can't make the series this year, hopefully they can make the series next year
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Kolles are at Spa this weekend talking to the ACO etc

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I hope they drove the road version of their LMH car to the talks!
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Of course, I mean, why wouldn’t they?
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Of course, I mean, why wouldn’t they?
I for one can see no reason why they wouldn't drive the road version (that definitley exists) of their future race car (that also definitely exists) to a meeting about definitely racing said car.
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I for one can see no reason why they wouldn't drive the road version (that definitley exists) of their future race car (that also definitely exists) to a meeting about definitely racing said car.
We know the car exists, seen it running even!

I'm just glad to see they haven't given up on trying to make the grid. I do wonder if we would be in a different position if there were no issues with the Vanwall name, or would the ACO still have found a reason to reject the entry?
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We know the car exists, seen it running even!

I'm just glad to see they haven't given up on trying to make the grid. I do wonder if we would be in a different position if there were no issues with the Vanwall name, or would the ACO still have found a reason to reject the entry?
Hypercar constructors need to be tied to a car manufacturer as I understand it (which is probably why Kolles is trying to go with Vanwall in the first place) so there might be your possible obstruction as the car won't be accepted as a simple 'ByKolles'. It's clear (and has been for a while) independent racing car constructors are not on the ACO's priority list.
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Hypercar constructors need to be tied to a car manufacturer as I understand it (which is probably why Kolles is trying to go with Vanwall in the first place) so there might be your possible obstruction as the car won't be accepted as a simple 'ByKolles'. It's clear (and has been for a while) independent racing car constructors are not on the ACO's priority list.
That is the main obstruction - it's been fairly widely reported. Obviously people want to see the car on the grid but I imagine the ACO meeting went something like "make your entry comply with the rules and you'll be in".

Of all the random, niche marques they could have pursued maybe Vanwall isn't the one.
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Of all the random, niche marques they could have pursued maybe Vanwall isn't the one.
It's so random it's actually pretty bizarre.....
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