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Old 14 Jun 2017, 18:29 (Ref:3741320)   #2716
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HPD engines are fine. They're not like the troubled f1 unit. It probably won't be the Indycar engine either so I think reliability shouldn't be a question. Performance I don't know but Oreca has the car to beat in lmp2.
Oreca has the car to beat with Dunlop tyres, but Cadillac has the car to beat with Continental tyres.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 18:33 (Ref:3741322)   #2717
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I'm not sure it's as clean cut with ORECA outside of Le Mans. Ligier won round 1 of ELMS, and there were Dallaras in there too. ORECA did win round 2, but again the Dallara was superb at Monza. I think in the high downforce setup, the ORECA is much closer to the rest of the pack than it is at Le Mans.

AFAIK, the IMSA private teams aren't getting the Le Mans kit over in the US, so the massive low downforce gap isn't there.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 18:43 (Ref:3741331)   #2718
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Oreca has the car to beat with Dunlop tyres ,AND low downforce but Cadillac has the car to beat with Continental tyres.
Seems like the cars are matched fairly well on most tracks, LM like Daytona messes with the rest of the series balance. Sadly they are both the most publicized races of the season.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 04:55 (Ref:3741520)   #2719
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The Oreca has always been the best package at LM, even the 05 was a little faster then the JSP2, although not to the extent we see now. I think it has to do with Oreca's experience working with Rebellion's R-One program
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 12:01 (Ref:3741599)   #2720
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Its a shame they couldn't grandfather the old Ligier with Honda engines, Shanks may have stayed in DPi.

I hate the idea that there is only 4 chassis allowed, and forces one engine on privateers. Its actually not a bad idea to force the factories based teams to use the apporve chassis since it will keep cost from going up too fast but privateer based with no factory support should be able to bring anything they want. If they want a unbranded V10 Judd, the let them.
I mean, outside of like the specialty single car programs(SMP, Strakka), everyone really only used one of 4 chassis, and everyone at the end essentially used the Nissan motor. We really were already the same as we've got now, just with one or two outliers.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 12:56 (Ref:3741621)   #2721
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I mean, outside of like the specialty single car programs(SMP, Strakka), everyone really only used one of 4 chassis, and everyone at the end essentially used the Nissan motor. We really were already the same as we've got now, just with one or two outliers.
We didn't lose as much as some say, for sure, but I think we did lose a bit that we didn't need to. SMP usually ran two cars, but we lost Gibson/Zytek, which was winning right till the end of its life, and these rules mean you can't run an old generation car like a few did with the Morgan and ORECA 03.

Totally agree on the engine though. You could run a mediocre Judd, or the Nissan. Everyone who was anywhere near the front ran the Nissan. So really all we've gone is drop the Judd, and give everyone an awesome sounding engine. But I do miss the chassis variety.

Really though, IMSA could do what they want. Why can't they allow other chassis in? Only issue they'd have is BoPing an engine up to the current spec, since the new engines are much more powerful. It's IMSAs game, and as long as someone doesn't want to take it to Le Mans, I don't see it being a problem.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 14:21 (Ref:3741645)   #2722
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It's IMSAs game, and as long as someone doesn't want to take it to Le Mans, I don't see it being a problem.
Could be that IMSA is supporting FIA because IMSA Wants to be allowed to run Le Mans.

Even IMSA management can see that Le Mans is the world's premier sports car race. I think they are angling to get accepted and are willing to follow FIA rules as much as possible to get there.

IMSA needed engine variety for two reasons: First, the fans were not about to tolerate another spec series, and second, IMSA needed the factories, and there was no way to get the factories involved for cheap besides engine-badging (and chassis-badging.)

If IMSA opened the class to more chassis manufacturers, that might embarrass FIA.
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Multimatic taking on a bigger role in the Riley-Multimatic partnership:

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/0...programme.html
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We didn't lose as much as some say, for sure, but I think we did lose a bit that we didn't need to. SMP usually ran two cars, but we lost Gibson/Zytek, which was winning right till the end of its life, and these rules mean you can't run an old generation car like a few did with the Morgan and ORECA 03.

Totally agree on the engine though. You could run a mediocre Judd, or the Nissan. Everyone who was anywhere near the front ran the Nissan. So really all we've gone is drop the Judd, and give everyone an awesome sounding engine. But I do miss the chassis variety.

Really though, IMSA could do what they want. Why can't they allow other chassis in? Only issue they'd have is BoPing an engine up to the current spec, since the new engines are much more powerful. It's IMSAs game, and as long as someone doesn't want to take it to Le Mans, I don't see it being a problem.
Single-car should have read more as single team, I apologize for that. Like, a team developing a single car for them to use.
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More details on Honda. I guess the announcement in August won't be accompanied by the reveal of the car, which is strange. I doubt they make it to Petit, but I bet they're in contention to win at Daytona.

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Old 17 Jun 2017, 01:26 (Ref:3742394)   #2726
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Plan is testing in Sept. and running at Petit LeMans to find gremlins before the season next year. Simon Pag as development driver.
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Plan is testing in Sept. and running at Petit LeMans to find gremlins before the season next year. Simon Pag as development driver.
As much as I'd love to see it, it seems like those days of testing at a race have gone by the wayside. Plus would it have to be homologated before other teams would not protest to block it.

I'll hold out hope i'll see it on track testing day Tuesday but in the race I'm not so sure sadly.
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Very much a maybe.
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Very much a maybe.
Agreed. I'm very aware that race miles are different, and perhaps better than testing miles. But Honda will have about the same lead time on their DPi that Cadillac did for theirs. So the car should be pretty well sorted for Daytona, even without a early-in-testing run at Petit.

Of course, I would love to see the Honda at Petit, it would definitely spice up the show and I'd hope it would push the Cadillac boys even then.

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