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Old 15 Jun 2017, 09:39 (Ref:3741553)   #1
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FormulaFox has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
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Not sure where best to put this, but I GUESS we can call it a "rumor" until it's actually built.

Panoz's secret project unveiled, and it's definitely out of left field:
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/p...-56-contender/

I'm looking forward to seeing if they can make it work - In Formula E discussions people keep telling me it's impossible to make a racecar that can have it's batteries swapped out easily during a pitstop AND provide enough power to have decent speed and range. Hopefully this comes to fruition and proves the matter one way or another.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 11:32 (Ref:3741579)   #2
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 11:48 (Ref:3741591)   #3
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I'm looking forward to seeing if they can make it work - In Formula E discussions people keep telling me it's impossible to make a racecar that can have it's batteries swapped out easily during a pitstop AND provide enough power to have decent speed and range. Hopefully this comes to fruition and proves the matter one way or another.
I could see that in an open wheel setup but a sportscar chassis offers much more range of mounting options and locations. Course from knowing a lot of engineers from college, those who say impossible are always wrong and usually take the simple easy route not the guys who truly make new things.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 14:53 (Ref:3741653)   #4
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Green4U was founded late last year, and subsequently acquired the DeltaWing Technology Group, Panoz LLC and Team Panoz Racing.

"Our goal is to run our car in a race, perhaps even applying for a future Garage 56 slot"

Initial performance targets include 400-450kW total power, with a top speed of between 175-180mph.

The car will run on removable battery packs, allowing for batteries to be swapped out during pitstops, with a targeted range of between 90 and 110 miles.

There are also plans for a street-legal sports car based on the GT-EV.
The removable battery packs sounds very interesting and useful.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 14:58 (Ref:3741656)   #5
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I can only say good luck to them, anybody who tries a bit of innovation in motorsport is a good one in my books
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 15:05 (Ref:3741662)   #6
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I can only say good luck to them, anybody who tries a bit of innovation in motorsport is a good one in my books
I agree, I hope this makes it to the track! I wonder what it would be like for the driver to have all that weight on one side? The effort required to turn that to the left could be tough.
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I echo these thoughts. Wish them well, like someone thinking outside the box, but the future of electric cars is touchy with me. For them to be viable, they need to be powered by renewable energy, not fossil fuels, because you rob me of hearing the burning of dead dinosaurs otherwise.
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Has a weight for the battery pack been announced. There was an overall vehicle weight, but I don't remember weight for the battery pack, which will have to be handled somehow during pit stops.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 15:22 (Ref:3741671)   #9
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Front end looks like a cross between a DP and a Chevron B16...

Assuming this runs in '18 it amuses me that Panoz would beat Formula E to changeable batteries. I wonder how much of the battery technology is likely to be new/cutting edge?
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Has a weight for the battery pack been announced. There was an overall vehicle weight, but I don't remember weight for the battery pack, which will have to be handled somehow during pit stops.
That could hopefully be the new technology development - smaller and lighter battery packs which are giving more power and lasting longer... I think I could be wishing too much there at the moment!
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Has a weight for the battery pack been announced. There was an overall vehicle weight, but I don't remember weight for the battery pack, which will have to be handled somehow during pit stops.
I imagine the battery pack will just be inserted on dolly jacks.

I don't think pack will be getting changed on pit road, at least in America. The concrete wall that most tracks mean you'd have to wheel the batteries around, and you'd be extremely restricted on space. It'd be easier just to put the car behind the wall, do a quick change and back out. Since this isn't competing in a proper class, it doesn't matter - it just needs to be a good proof of concept.

For Le Mans it's possible, but it looks extremely difficult to do in the US. Good luck to them making this concept work. At least it's actually trying to progress technology, which is very nice!
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... Since this isn't competing in a proper class, it doesn't matter - it just needs to be a good proof of concept.

For Le Mans it's possible, but it looks extremely difficult to do in the US. Good luck to them making this concept work. At least it's actually trying to progress technology, which is very nice!
Thanks for that. Yes, I imagine it would be changed in garage and not on pit road, which them opens up several possibilities for mechanical assistance to accomplish that.
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I imagine the battery pack will just be inserted on dolly jacks.

I don't think pack will be getting changed on pit road, at least in America. The concrete wall that most tracks mean you'd have to wheel the batteries around, and you'd be extremely restricted on space. It'd be easier just to put the car behind the wall, do a quick change and back out. Since this isn't competing in a proper class, it doesn't matter - it just needs to be a good proof of concept.

For Le Mans it's possible, but it looks extremely difficult to do in the US. Good luck to them making this concept work. At least it's actually trying to progress technology, which is very nice!
Hoist or gantry? Good point.

This is a unique deal as Formula E you have to change cars. Now, we have a large scale RC car!
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I imagine the battery pack will just be inserted on dolly jacks.

I don't think pack will be getting changed on pit road, at least in America. The concrete wall that most tracks mean you'd have to wheel the batteries around, and you'd be extremely restricted on space. It'd be easier just to put the car behind the wall, do a quick change and back out. Since this isn't competing in a proper class, it doesn't matter - it just needs to be a good proof of concept.

For Le Mans it's possible, but it looks extremely difficult to do in the US. Good luck to them making this concept work. At least it's actually trying to progress technology, which is very nice!
I could see them being granted a specific pit stall for each event to show the concept, close to the openings to allow that change behind the wall faster. Yes, it would be a huge 'advantage' over all the way to the garage but to test the concept possibly worth it. I know some series go by points to assign pit boxes, no idea actually how IMSA does it though.

They have a huge advantage over the Formula E cars in terms of packaging. More room to place the batteries and connections than an open wheel, ergo the offset driving position. I really wanted to see Formula E develop a pit lane gantry system, car pulls up, then is lifted off of battery system. Old rolled out, new rolled in and car returned to the ground, possibly even with electric jacks in the battery pack like the air jacks in cars now. Yes I know, crazy and goofy but would be fun to see and would keep the batteries low in the car.
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Not sure where best to put this, but I GUESS we can call it a "rumor" until it's actually built.
It is on display at Le Mans. But there's probably not much under the plastic bodywork. Until there is, it is Panoz-grade vaporware.




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