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Old 6 Oct 2006, 17:44 (Ref:1730093)   #16
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Agree - Maybe in a Porsche-Cup you can run a sportscar-season with a similar budget, but the LMP3 are for sure faster and more fun to drive. I think they can provide a basis for teams to grow up into the LMS-scene. At least from the radical-cup and from VdeV some teams already took the route to LMS.

Are there some IMSA-lite-teams which have definitive ALMS-plans?
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Old 6 Oct 2006, 19:01 (Ref:1730144)   #17
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There are even more constructors than those that GT-Eins has listed...his list doesn't include builders in the USA, Brazil, or Japan....and there are others that are planning to get into the constructor business in the coming months.

At the prices in which they can provide a turn-key race car (average price range of about $70,000 USD), but some can be bought for about $50,000-$55,000, these builders can sell dozens, if not hundreds of them (in the case of Radical).

What is needed in this industry is a universal standard for construction and general specifications, so that the builders can sell to competitors internationally.
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Old 8 Oct 2006, 09:22 (Ref:1731505)   #18
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Hi Tim
The list was taken from a recent thread in our forum mentioning just the contructors with CN-based cars
From the additional constructors you know - which ones are making chassis which are also CN-eglible?
And which ones from the other "LMP3"-constructors are the largest? - to be honest I have no overview about US/Japan/Brasil .

I totally agree with you that a standard would be needed - whether FIA-CN is the way to go would have to be discussed...
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Old 23 Oct 2006, 10:50 (Ref:1745928)   #19
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To bump this up, apparently Adam (who won the IMSA Lites championship this year) was racing in an LMP2 Radical at Laguna Seca this weekend.
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Old 23 Oct 2006, 13:11 (Ref:1746128)   #20
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Are there some IMSA-lite-teams which have definitive ALMS-plans?
Intersport run 2 Lites already.

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as all "lite" or "LMP3"-championships are pure privateer classes, costs are far less than in (X)LMS
Not true Radical, West and Panoz have all run works cars - Pecorari, Bender and Borgudd can all be considered Elite drivers.

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normally that car should be then able to be competetive for the next 5 years
this is the case with IMSA Lites - stability until 2011.

Currently the only official Lites are built by Radical, West and Panoz.

Updtated producer list

large number producers:
* Radical
* Osella
* PRC
* Lucchini
* Norma
* Ligier
* Juno
* Elan
* West
* Stohr
* Speads
* Lola
* Funyo

small number producers:
* CvO
* Breda
* Tampolli
* Martini
* Picchio
* URD
* Sharon
* Jade
* Debora
* Zeus (now Palmersport JP1)
* Centenari
* Argo
* Bogani
* Chiron

single constructors:
* Pilbeam
* Stenger
* UWR
* Faust
* Serra
* Acid
* YCAR
* Corbari


Series - Don't forget SCCA C/D sports, Also a spec Dallara F304 based series in Japan. There is a new Lites based series kicking of in Oz
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Old 6 Jan 2007, 11:10 (Ref:1808071)   #21
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I just added a page on LMP3 cars with photos, here :
http://www.gurneyflap.com/lmp3.html
I put 5 different cars, Norma, Ligier, Juno, Merlin and Gunn, tell me if you want more, I may have 3 or 4 other ones.
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Old 6 Jan 2007, 13:22 (Ref:1808164)   #22
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I just added a page on LMP3 cars with photos, here :
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I put 5 different cars, Norma, Ligier, Juno, Merlin and Gunn, tell me if you want more, I may have 3 or 4 other ones.
Nice detail photos.
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Old 8 Jan 2007, 15:42 (Ref:1809701)   #23
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As mentioned before in this thread there is alot of manufacturers out there with cars and alot of potential to be a very successful series. There is the potential to get a set of rules to provide some sort of feeder for manufacturers, drivers and teams alike to progress up the ladder.

LMP3 cars could be the top of this ladder, with cars say upto 3litre, with approx 350bhp and a sensible minimum weight. This would be similar to the top class in the Britsports series at the moment.

Below that could be the LMP4 series, with up to 2litre car based engine, and 1500cc (1400cc?) bike based engine, with approx 250bhp, This would be similar to the CN series, and the old UK National supersports series.

Finally a LMP5 type series with up to 1600cc car based engines, and 1000cc bike based engines, with say approx 200bhp. This is based upon the very successful US D-sports series.

If a maximum cost of chassis is set down, and some ideas to control engine and race meeting cost, then i feel there is alot of potential for the series. The constructors would then build one car, and have a world wide market for them.

I understand there is already alot of cars that are built in the UK and sold abroad for example, but each country has a different set of rules. If the rules were closer written then that should mean it would be easier to sell a car. Even if the class is not called the same, having the same set of rules

As said before there is alot of potential here, and will be interesting to see how LMP3 cars get on in this comming year. There has been alot of growth in this market and long may it continue
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Old 8 Jan 2007, 16:10 (Ref:1809715)   #24
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How does the British Mallock clubmans car fit this idea? Many of the cars look a bit like the Chevron or Lola from the 1970's
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Old 31 Jan 2007, 21:50 (Ref:1830618)   #25
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Looking on Mulsannes's Corner there's a link to a new championship in the USA based on FIA Group CN/C3 regulations, effectively replicating the European VdeV series:
http://www.modernendurance.com

Seeing as IMSA Lites is currently limited to 2 different chassis manufacturers, this series possibly opens up the sportscar scene in the US to more of the established manufacturers previously mentioned in this thread.
Additionally, the support of the ISCMA for the championship makes me wonder if this could be a step towards some overall LMP3 chassis regulations...?
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Old 1 Feb 2007, 00:00 (Ref:1830707)   #26
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It should be noted that a member of our mod team, Tim Northcutt, is the PR contact for the North American Modern Endurance Challenge (NAMEC). The series will be run in conjunction with the NASA Pro Western Endurance Racing Championship, to start, with the goal of growing to national participation and coverage.
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IIRC there are GT cars in VdeV as well. Are there also plans for a GT-category in NAMEC? And if so, what kind of cars? VdeV-specifications or specs for existing cars in North America?
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Old 1 Feb 2007, 02:54 (Ref:1830761)   #28
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The GT plans will follow the growth of the NAMEC series into a standalone race. One option mooted around has been in the vein of GT3. I believe it comes down to what is agreed upon between Edouard Sezionale and Van de Vyver.
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Old 8 Jan 2008, 18:39 (Ref:2102059)   #29
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Pilbeam have released details of their new Virage sportscar, which will be eligible for both VdeV series. 4 cars are being produced and will be testing in the UK. From the CAD images the front splitter arrangement bears a clear resemblance to the MP93 LMP2 car.

More details at: http://www.pilbeamracing.co.uk/index2.html
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Pilbeam have released details of their new Virage sportscar, which will be eligible for both VdeV series. 4 cars are being produced and will be testing in the UK. From the CAD images the front splitter arrangement bears a clear resemblance to the MP93 LMP2 car.

More details at: http://www.pilbeamracing.co.uk/index2.html
Why dig up an old thread that has no credance? This car is specifically designed for CN and VdeV, and as such bears little resemblance to the LMP class of cars Pilbeam have built. No carbon and a tubeframe sees this car in a very competetive field of Juno's and Ligiers, awesome to watch and great fun to be in(privaledged to be taken for a run in the VdeV championship car) As I see it VdeV uk and Britsports are a totally separate ballgame to LMS. Great prooving ground for younger drivers and better than the pedestrian 206 spider cup(yawn) as a feeder for LMS teams.
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