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View Poll Results: Which brand will win the Wilson Security Sandown 500?
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Old 25 Aug 2013, 23:44 (Ref:3293935)   #1
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[iV8SC13R28] Wilson Security Sandown 500 - 13-15 Sept

The season of endurance, the Pirtek Enduro Cup, is here.

Two pilots per car, regular drivers staying in their car, various locals and international names joining the series to ply their trade.

At Sandown.

Sandown, one of the best fan-friendly racing circuits in Melbourne, where a seat in the grandstand will not only keep you out of the sun (hooray!) but you can see almost all of the race circuit from that vantage point

So.. for this one... who's going to win? Who has their stuff together to the extent that you might call them favourites?

A few rounds ago you might have thought 888 was a walk up start to win everything this year, but the last couple of rounds have shown that they are human too. Maybe the two new chassis they are apparently set to roll out for Sandown might improve the breed.

HRT seems to have come back into some form recently, by the 3rd race of the weekend, they seem to have their chassis and pilots and strategy sorted. The big 500 is the 3rd race of the Sandown weekend.

FPR have 3 cars in their arsenal who might be good enough to win. If the strategy goes well enough, the drivers are quick enough, that the shotgun doesnt go off into their feet again... history isnt kind however.

The newbies at Nissan and AMG Erebus should be reliable, if a little slower than they would like in a straight line, and a little thirstier than their performances might like. They should be there all day... to pick up the scraps.. the 2 long straights highlighting the work these two squads still need to do.

There are a couple of smokeys... the likes of #33 with the 2 young fellas aboard can be strong if they all have a good day. So might #12.. or #97..

My pick... an HRT car... not sure if its #2 or #22...
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Old 26 Aug 2013, 04:00 (Ref:3293977)   #2
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I'm tipping a battle between #22, #5 & #6 for the victory

Courtney/Murphy as much as I'm not a fan of the latter will be very hard to beat.

I wonder how much gain has been found from the former Djr exclusive engine shop Innov8?
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Old 26 Aug 2013, 06:13 (Ref:3294014)   #3
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Lowndes and Luffy are favourites for sure.

But on form, both HRT cars would be strong. Murphy's the best co-driver available. Percat's in good form racing Porsches this year.

Both FPR cars have got good pairings - Steven Richards and Steve Owen will both do well and are racing regularly, which is important.

I think Whincup might struggle with Dumbrell. He hasn't raced anything in 2 years except the enduros. If he's struggling to get back in the groove then it'll show at Sandown. By Bathurst he might have played himself back in and he's usually been pretty strong there.

I'm curious to see Briscoe line up with Ingall. I wonder if Ryan can do what he did for HRT a few years back and go fastest of all of them.

As a roughie - Scott McLaughlin and Jack Perkins? Perkins is doing well in DVS and McLaughlin, while hot and cold as you'd expect in rookie year, when he's hot, he's very hot.
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Old 26 Aug 2013, 06:28 (Ref:3294016)   #4
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The guys who will win both enduro's: #1, #888, #22, #5, #6.

The guys who could win either enduro: #2, #97, #33, #55, #14, #8, #12.

Dumbrell's not bad at Sandown (obviously he got his maiden win there), so I think that should balance the fact that he's not fresh. The issue though is that everyone else in the main contender list is actively racing.

I don't think the Nissans or Mercs will be sufficiently sorted-out in time to be threats for the win - but I'd love to be proven wrong.

No idea who I'd pick to win Sandown. At Bathurst I'm picking that FPR's vintage pit-lane antics will be at play and the win will be decided between the #22 and either the #1 or the #888 (whichever one is ahead at the first cycle of pit-stops ).
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Old 26 Aug 2013, 08:02 (Ref:3294050)   #5
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Personally, I would love to see BJR have a win with Sandown being one of the late Jason Richards' most faved tracks. But realistically, judging recent form, HRT looks like they're the hot fave.
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Personally, I would love to see BJR have a win with Sandown being one of the late Jason Richards' most faved tracks. But realistically, judging recent form, HRT looks like they're the hot fave.
I suspect that the BJR challenge may be compromised to some extent by their choice of codrivers. Each is a safe pair of hands usually, but isnt at the absolute top of the tree to be able to go head to head with the regular series drivers.

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I suspect that the BJR challenge may be compromised to some extent by their choice of codrivers. Each is a safe pair of hands usually, but isnt at the absolute top of the tree to be able to go head to head with the regular series drivers.

As long as they can stay on the lead lap and pass the car to the regular driver in good shape at the end of their last stint they have to have a chance....
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I think Whincup might struggle with Dumbrell. He hasn't raced anything in 2 years except the enduros. If he's struggling to get back in the groove then it'll show at Sandown.
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Old 27 Aug 2013, 04:51 (Ref:3294530)   #9
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Hoping that either FPR cars get the win. But I leaning towards Frosty..
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Old 27 Aug 2013, 05:12 (Ref:3294534)   #10
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Coulthard / Youlden to upset the favourites.
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This is a first Pecky has't posted to date. HAS he gone on holiday and forgot his laptop.
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hmmm like the combo of fabian and Luke, could be a winner or podium
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This is a first Pecky has't posted to date. HAS he gone on holiday and forgot his laptop.
going to qld on wed, wont be at sandown. disappointing in someways, will be the first 5l v8 500 race at sandown i have missed

i did vote though in the poll before today
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http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/09/06/...lours-sandown/

The pies are out of the finals race, is this an omen?

Well maybe theres next year
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The pies are out of the finals race, is this an omen?
I dunno but its bloody hilarious.
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Mr Whincup to debut new chassis for Sandown...

Story Here
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Mr Whincup to debut new chassis for Sandown...

Story Here
The wording of the story has me a little confused (which isn't hard).

Whincup will racing the new one at Sandown, but at Bathurst it will become the Xbox car? Or Whincups old car will be the Xbox car?
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The wording of the story has me a little confused (which isn't hard).

Whincup will racing the new one at Sandown, but at Bathurst it will become the Xbox car? Or Whincups old car will be the Xbox car?
It is pretty badly worded... I presume its the 'T' car that shall become #10 but its not very clear
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It is pretty badly worded... I presume its the 'T' car that shall become #10 but its not very clear
That's the way I read it... JDub's old car sits in the shed; JDub gets a shiny new one; Andy and Mattias get the first built chassis, currently a ride car.
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okay, my predictions for the weekend.
it will be an epic duel between FPR, 888 and HRT
for those of you who are statistically minded, between FPR, 888 & HRT they have scooped all the wins at the enduros since 2005
888: 13 (5 Bathurst 1000, 3 Sandown 500, 3 Gold Coast 600*, 2 Phillip Island 500)
HRT: 6 (3 Bathurst 1000, 2 Phillip Island 500, 1 Gold Coast 600*)
FPR: 3 (2 Gold Coast 600*, 1 Sandown 500)
*keep in mind the GC600 numbers are for each individual race of 300km*

so, to the form:

888 look good, but question mark over #1 (Whincup/Dumbrell), Dumbrell has not driven any car since last Bathurst, so apart from the co-driver sessions, he is going in cold
#888 (Lowndes/Luff) looks strong, with Luffy keeping his hand in with a solid recent run in Carrera Cup (even with his gear being pinched and then returned).

HRT are fairly solid:
#2 (Tander/Percat) are a potent combination (with Percat keeping 'match-fit' in Carrera Cup.
#22 (Courtney/Murphy) are a genuine darkhorse, Courtney won the most recent race at Winton, and Murf has kept sharp with NZ V8 SuperTourers.
#66 (Ingall/Briscoe) looks more of a long-odds shot, Ingall has hit bad luck, and Briscoe has driven at least 4 different vehicles this year (counting this one).

FPR have been consistent all year:
#5 (Winterbottom/Richards) are always a threat, plus if Winterbottom and Whincup are in their respective cars at the same time, look out! (refer: Pukekohe earlier this year)
#6 (W.Davison/Owen) are a good combo, WIll is after a new contract so solid results should help that cause, Owen has been pedalling last years cars in the Dunlop series and been very quick, so watch #6, they could spring a surprise.
#55 (Reynolds/Canto), continuity helps, and these guys came within a whisker of a surprise win at Bathurst last year, even though Canto has no full-time gig, he is one of those regular plug-him-in-he'll-go-fast guys, #55 as a genuine wildcard.
#18 (A.Davison/McIntyre) has been inconsistant, but both should threaten at least a top 10 during the enduros.

my smokies:
#33 (McLaughlin/Perkins), Jack has been solid in the Dunlop Series, and McLaughlin has been a revelation this year, these guys could pull a shock result out of the hat.
#14 (Coulthard/Youlden), Fabian has had a breakout year, while Youlden is always strong come enduro season, with the form that BJR has shown in enduros in recent years, don't count these guys out.

so, who agrees with my form...
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Old 10 Sep 2013, 00:37 (Ref:3301267)   #23
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plus, i almost forgot...

with V8SC deciding on 4 mandatory pitstops (for Sandown at least), it might be controversial, but think abut it. this will bring strategy into play, who is more hungry, and who will have their car in 'the magic spot' for the final run to the checkers? Hmmm?
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Do we not think that mandatory minimum stops further reduces FPR's chance of success?
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Do we not think that mandatory minimum stops further reduces FPR's chance of success?
no, but if anything it levels the playing field.
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