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7 Oct 2016, 21:36 (Ref:3678244) | #1 | ||
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A heads up for all, particularly those who don't bother getting PRC attendance and training signatures. This letter has been sent out by the MSA that appears to be directed to Ex Post Chiefs AT THE MOMENT. Quite a few of us (me included) haven't had a PRC signed for years and are now scrambling to obtain attendance evidence. Dear Colleague, Firstly, thank you for your continued support as an MSA Registered Marshal, your dedication, time and commitment to UK motor sport is hugely appreciated. As you may be aware, there is a requirement within the MSA’s Marshals grading scheme for individuals to attend a minimum number of events and training days to maintain their grades. On occasion we do request PRC’s to ensure that they are kept up to date and events and training attendance is being recorded. As part of that process we would kindly request that you send us a copy of your PRC so that we can monitor your activity. If you have attended an event or events but not had your PRC signed can you please send in an alternative form of confirmation. This information can either be sent in via the post (we would ask you not to send in your original PRC just in case they are lost in the post) or emailed to training@msauk.org and must be with the MSA by no later than Monday 17th of October. Once again, thank you for your commitment and supporting the delivery of motor sport in the UK. Kind regards, Alan. Alan Page ASET, GCGI Training Executive Motor Sports Association, Riverside Park, Colnbrook, SL3 0HG +44 (0)1753 765120 / +44 (0)7765 585152 /alan.page@msauk.org @msauk /msauk | www.msauk.org |
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Can't see why they can't just accept a list of events attended like they do for the Grand Prix, or are PRC's going to be needed for GP volunteering in the future?
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A benefit of being a Steward is the MSA telling us where to go, so we don't have to get a signature to prove it
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Ha Ha very good
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My understanding is that any personal or volunteering database will suffice for attendence only. If upgrading then the conventional blue PRC will need to be seen. |
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Oh well as a permanent Trainee I guess this doesn't affect me. I'm pretty sure I can keep my Trainee status without any signatures (which is just as well because I haven't collected any for years).
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Interesting. I haven't done any car marshalling for about 18 months, only Superbikes and MotoGP with Racesafe (track marshal flags/incident) I suppose I'd better get some car meetings done again if I want to keep my MSA track marshal status. I doubt they'll accept the bikes as relevant attendances, despite the similarities in duties.
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I emailed Paula Brown, BARC officials' secretary, and she emailed back a list of meetings I had attended. I forwarded
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As has been explained in various posts, getting proof of attendance will not be a problem. The problem will only arise for people who haven't attended any training for more than 2 years, but that is a self-inflicted problem. If you choose not to keep your knowledge and skills up to date then, in my opinion, you leave yourself open to the question as to whether you deserve your current grade - especially if that grade is one where you have a role in the education of other marshals, such as Examining PC.
Track limit changes spring to mind, as do the upcoming Code 60 rules and interpretations. |
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I think this exercise has thrown up some flaws in the system. The current PRC seems to try and be an all encompassing document which has multiple sections in it that are irrelevant for many marshals' especially for those who are not upgrading. We sign on for every attendance, including training, and it surely would not be beyond the capability of the officials running our sport to collate those records to satisfy the attendance and training requirements for grade maintenance. For those upgrading, maybe there should be a specific form/card appropriate to the target grade.
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I'd agree with this as a trainee who just needs his upgrade signatures and to attend a training session . I would actually have no problem printing out my own sheet for the grade I'm targeting and stuffing that in the little black wallet. Makes lots more sense than a 30 page book which will take years to move on to certain pages. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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There is a continuation sheet available from the MSA's website & there's nothing to stop you scanning & printing your own sheets - of course, you'd need a new card to scan if you want to do that, which you can get by phoning the MSA Licencing Department. Unless you are that very rare creature, someone who can fulfill all the requirements for an upgrade with only the number of signatures the PRC has spaces for you're going to need some form of continuation sheet. . . |
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Carrying a small booklet or even a sheet of paper and getting it signed isn't exactly difficult. It is a marshal's responsibility to ensure that they are meeting the minimum attendance and training requirements for maintaining a grade in exactly the same way as it is a marshal's responsibility to meet the minimum attendance and training requirements if they wish to upgrade. In both cases being able to provide evidence is not unreasonable. |
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