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Old 13 Oct 2003, 15:10 (Ref:749718)   #26
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Hear hear Dhart who ever you might be (laughing to myself)
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 16:41 (Ref:749840)   #27
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just one of the 51 signatures at Oulton! LOL glad your not going to Brands - ive run out of valves!!
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 16:46 (Ref:749847)   #28
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I know, I owe you some anyway + your master switch. Have you got a spare engine 4 sale, ours has got a hole in it now!
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 16:54 (Ref:749862)   #29
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Its a long winter something will turn up,if anything comes up i will call you,sounds like a complete bottom end though Boldy will sort it - just leave your cheque book with him!
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 17:38 (Ref:749949)   #30
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Anybody fancy a drivers meeting at Brands this weekend? It would be nice to put faces to some of the names.

Ole JR can wear a mask, if he is determined to maintain his anonymity.

Nice to see Steve Burns is now a 10 tenther
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 18:09 (Ref:749998)   #31
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And my shirt!!!
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 19:12 (Ref:750084)   #32
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There are many manufacturers still making Steel Shocks. You can still contact SACHS in Germany. They are still producing them and if you know anyone that has any worn ones lay around (I can name one person that has about 4 dozen of them - don't ask me why - he doesn't throw anything away) they will service them for you. Back to the AVO's, they are a very good Shock. They may be cheaper than most, but at no quality drop off. In fact, when Gary Jones won the Oulton championship in his Swift '92, I believe he had Avo's all round.
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 19:18 (Ref:750092)   #33
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The thing about FF1600 is that they are developed to the nth degree, why start chucking extra variables into the pot? It can only detract from driver performance as people play 'catch up' to latest technology.

Keep it simple folks.
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 19:23 (Ref:750103)   #34
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If Steve Burns is reading this

Why is changing the rules even being considered ?? what has prompted this ?

there have been some good grids this year.

My real cost this year was testing. I managed to run 1 test because it is just silly at over £200 for testing.

The cost of running the car was lower in general, and without the help I use I could get that down more, however I can't get testing fee's down.
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 19:26 (Ref:750105)   #35
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Something else for the pot.....

I heard a rumour that the Swift '92 is getting a retro development for next year. If they start chopping and changing rules, does this mean that the team who have done the development work will be out of pocket as the enhancements might prove to be a waste of time?
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 19:31 (Ref:750112)   #36
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don't think so as the swift kit was supposed to be designed for this year, so it should conform to the current rules, and therfore not be wasted.

If people will buy it at 3K per go, is another thing. rule change or not.
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 19:34 (Ref:750113)   #37
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£3000????

That's a bit steep.
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 19:39 (Ref:750120)   #38
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There is an update kit for the Swifts to bring them up to 95 spec I believe.

If you think about it, 1995 was the last year of FF1600, so therefore those cars were the culmination of years of development.

Zetec cars had a different set of parameters to work to (heavy, tall engine etc.) and to reverse engineer them to 1600 spec is cherry picking on design tweaks.

Well, thats fine by me, but don't change the 1600 regs to accomodate the zetec conversions.

John Loebel showed what can be done at last weekends Oulton meeting in qualifying, so why change the regs?

You could argue that 'cos of the 'superior' design of the Zetecs,(which is why people are trying to convert) the ff1600's should be allowed either reduced weightor the zetecs to run with a weight penalty to compensate for their 'inferior' chassis design.

Well, that's going to happen, isn't it? NOT.
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 19:43 (Ref:750124)   #39
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just leave it alone.

the zetec/swift/rf90 racing at combe this year was fantastic.
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 19:54 (Ref:750133)   #40
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Correct.
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 19:58 (Ref:750140)   #41
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Diz,

what the heck have you started here? Clearly cake shortage syndrome. (In joke I'm afraid!)
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 21:01 (Ref:750204)   #42
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Hello Kartingdad

Why mention cake in this thread?
It is however mentioned in Walshy's new thread Car vs Car

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Old 13 Oct 2003, 21:17 (Ref:750219)   #43
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Is the car designed for the championship or the championship designed for the car?

Leave it alone the cars are designed for the championship under the current 1600 regulations, if people want to get a car that is incorect for those rules then it's their problem to sort it so it complies. If this means they have to spend thousands then they knew that when they bought the car, or at least they should do.

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Old 13 Oct 2003, 21:27 (Ref:750231)   #44
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perfectly articulated matt, monoposto caters for the type of racing these changes would encourage - it aint broke!
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 21:36 (Ref:750239)   #45
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I see you've managed to get your caps lock off dhart!!! LOL
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Old 13 Oct 2003, 21:41 (Ref:750242)   #46
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do you think this thread will make any difference to the BRSCC's intentions?

Perhaps a few emails to John Griffiths might be more benficial. Of course, if you are really desperate/ thick you could try the MSA. HA!
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 13:02 (Ref:750850)   #47
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Any proposed regulation changes are only considered when they are requested by the competitors. We have been asked to look at the possiblity of allowing alloy components and combined car/driver minimum weight limit by a number of drivers (not fair to mention names). As organisers we have a duty to investigate any reasonable request, but the final decision of course must be in the best interests of the majority. The majority are certainly voicing their opinions, which is great and will enable us to provide an informed answer to those who have requested the changes.
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 13:04 (Ref:750854)   #48
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Steve:

Weight changes = common sense.
Alloy dampers = who cares, like it will make any difference, if cars down South have them then lets keep 'em.
Alloy calipers = ditto dampers, although I have some reservations about the effects of a reduction in unsprung weight.
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 13:46 (Ref:750884)   #49
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Steve, I understand your reluctance to name drivers, but how aboutbeing specific on numbers? It could be only two drivers that have caused this furore.
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Old 14 Oct 2003, 20:07 (Ref:751340)   #50
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I'd like to add my comments to this

I see these proposed changes being aimed at two areas:-
1. To allow easy transfer between different championships
2. To allow easy and cheaper integration of Kent engined Zetec designed cars

My feelings are that we have:-
1. Perfectly good, time proven national regulations for all pre Zetec cars
2. The Zetec problem is separate and so is the solution

I race a pre 87 car and I am concerned that any potential changes will involve extra costs and work which need not be necessary. I don't want to have to change the standard spec to be competitive or have a variety of tyres to choose from, I want a control tyre for the class. (It might be hard but if you want to compete in a championship you need to comply - not change the regulations to suit all possible variations. If people want to run with small changes do they have to be eligible for championship points?)

We have recently seen the effect of uncertain regulations on entries. The Opal Telecom championship that I am in is popular and successful so I don't want to see this spoiled. I would like to see the 2004 situation cleared quickly and any changes being left until they are properly sorted out - to 2005 if necessary.
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