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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2005 Marlboro Masters of F3?
Lewis Hamilton 28 52.83%
Adrian Sutil 2 3.77%
Marko Asmer 2 3.77%
Mike Conway 2 3.77%
James Rossiter 10 18.87%
Loic Duval 0 0%
Alvaro Parente 3 5.66%
Lucas Di Grassi 1 1.89%
Giedo van der Garde 0 0%
another driver 5 9.43%
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 12:36 (Ref:1325569)   #51
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runshaw should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
You can get the free practice time from www.f3euroseries.com
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 12:54 (Ref:1325575)   #52
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Now had first qualifying, in groups:

Even numbers (quicker):
1. Adrian Sutil - 1:31.441
2. Lucas Di Grassi - 1:31.642
3. Giedo van der Garde - 1:32.320
4. Mike Conway - 1:32.481
5. Franck Perera - 1:32.505
6. Sebastien Vettel - 1:32.632
7. Guillaume Moreau - 1:32.724
8. Greg Franchi - 1:32.810
9. Alvaro Parente - 1:32.900
10. Ho-Pin Tung - 1:32.910

Odd numbers (slower):
1. Lewis Hamilton - 1:31.883
2. Steven Kane - 1:32.402
3. Paul di Resta - 1:32.675
4. Marco Mononomi - 1:32.750
5. Hannes Neuhauser - 1:32.966
6. Marko Asmer - 1:33.067
7. James Walker - 1:33.289
8. Charlie Kimball - 1:33.438
9. Kohei Hirate - 1:33.497
10. Christian Bakkerud - 1:33.543

Second sessions start at 15:50 CET, that's 14:50 BST
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 13:03 (Ref:1325581)   #53
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Almost surprisingly well done by Kane.
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 13:29 (Ref:1325593)   #54
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rossiter was uncharacteristicly low down the order. hopefully it wont be wet in the second sessions because he would make a good race if he was a bit further up. not that it will stop asm and mercedes from dominating.....

im surprised kane has took that lola to provisional 4th. knew he was pretty quick (gave viso a run for his money a couple of years back, pretty decent first season abroad last year....which i think was the result of a team boss reading this very forum!!!)

di grassi must love this circuit as he was quick last year too.
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 14:28 (Ref:1325627)   #55
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Odd numbers Q2 just ended. Hamilton improved to 1:31.1747 to take provisional pole. Kane fell off early on, but was only pipped by Paul di Resta, so remains 5th or 6th.

Sun now shining. It had clouded over, with drops of rain at the start of the last session.
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 14:30 (Ref:1325628)   #56
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a brit in the first 3 rows then. once again the up and coming british talent strutting their stuff. im sure rossiter will improve this session.
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 14:35 (Ref:1325631)   #57
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He wasn't too hopeful after Q1, but they're on track now.
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 15:09 (Ref:1325649)   #58
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rossiter painfully slow. must be his car as his ability outweighs just about everyone at this race except maybe hamilton.
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 15:24 (Ref:1325660)   #59
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I've heard the oversteer word mentioned...

Di Grassi was fastest in evens Q2, but not as quick as Sutil had been in Q1.
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 16:03 (Ref:1325688)   #60
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This not official, because the grid will not issued until after the morning warm-up, and the last few places are curious because there were 19 cars in one group and 17 in the other, but I think the way they will line up tomorrow looks like this:

01. Lewis Hamilton
02. Adrian Sutil
03. Paul di Resta
04. Lucas Di Grassi
05. Steven Kane
06. Franck Perera
07. Kohei Hirate
08. Giedo van der Garde
09. Marco Bononomi
10. Alvaro Parente
11. Loic Duval
12. Esteban Guerreri
13. Hannes Neuhauser
14. Sebastien Vettel
15. Marko Asmer
16. Mike Conway
17. Charlie Kimball
18. Bruno Senna
19. Christian Bakkerud
20 Guillaume Moreau
21. James Walker
22. Greg Franchi
23. Dan Clarke
24. Ho-Pin Tung
25. Atila Abreu
26. Alejandro Nunez
27. Ross Zwolsman
28. James Rossiter
29. Ferdinand Kool
30. Ryan Lewis
31. Stephen Jelley
32. Alvaro Barba
33. Thomas Holzer
34. Keiko Ihara
35. Ronayne O’Mahony
36. Nico Verdonck
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Old 11 Jun 2005, 22:21 (Ref:1325957)   #61
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Something tells me planning the Masters in June wasn't a smart move.
Usually there were plenty of spectators for the Saturday sessions, today most places were almost deserted.

With the weather expectation and all the other events in Holland tomorrow (Red Bull Air Race for example) i doubt it's going to hit the 50.000 spectators as expected.

Looking at the pictures I took it seems the programme wasn't really interesting either today. I have 1 Surinam Airways 747, 2x Dakota, 1x Blackhawk and the 9 airplanes for the Red Bull Air Race in between the F3 and F1 cars
Never made any airplane picture at Zandvoort despite the planes coming over almost every minute.
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Old 12 Jun 2005, 10:21 (Ref:1326211)   #62
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Stranger's right. Zandvoort is a seaside town and the holiday season doesn't start until the school holidays begin. It's all very quiet.

In the morning warm-up, Steven Kane went straight on at Tarzan in what was a nasty looking shunt. He is fine, but the medics have decided that it would be sensible for him not to race this afternoon, even if the car could be repaired. The re-shuffled grid order is now:

01. Lewis Hamilton
02. Adrian Sutil
03. Paul di Resta
04. Lucas Di Grassi
05. Kohei Hirate
06. Franck Perera
07. Marco Bonanomi
08. Giedo van der Garde
09. Loic Duval
10. Alvaro Parente
11. Hannes Neuhauser
12. Esteban Guerreri
13. Marko Asmer
14. Sebastien Vettel
15. Charlie Kimball
16. Mike Conway
17. Christian Bakkerud
18. Bruno Senna
19. James Walker
20 Guillaume Moreau
21. Dan Clarke
22. Ho-Pin Tung
23. Atila Abreu
24. Alejandro Nunez
25. Ross Zwolsman
26. James Rossiter
27. Ferdinand Kool
28. Ryan Lewis
29. Stephen Jelley
30. Alvaro Barba
31. Thomas Holzer
32. Keiko Ihara
33. Ronayne O’Mahony
34. Nico Verdonck

James Rossiter was 6th this morning, which suggests they have found what was wrong with his car, but he has a mountain to climb from 26th on the grid.
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Old 12 Jun 2005, 10:44 (Ref:1326217)   #63
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Watching the live cast now and it still doesn't look crowded. The 'famous' places have a lot of people but also loads of empty, green spots.
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Old 12 Jun 2005, 13:06 (Ref:1326283)   #64
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supurb winning performance from Lewis Hamilton - totally dominent
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Old 12 Jun 2005, 13:13 (Ref:1326288)   #65
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Mattias and Gaz called it, the Euroseries is broken. With the demise of Formulal Ford as a place to do your racing 'university' you're now better off doing Class B in Britain, or Italian/German/Spanish F3 and learning your trade before moving onto something like World Series.
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Old 12 Jun 2005, 13:19 (Ref:1326296)   #66
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Absolutely right Russfeld there really is just no point turning up to an event like this or to a Euroseries round unless your in an ASM car.

Fair enough given most cars I'm sure Hamilton would probably have won this weekend but its ridiculous how much of an advantage this team has for whatever the reasons be. The others just don't get a look in in the slightest. The one thing you can say is that this could be good for the British series as a lot of guys might see this fact and decide to spend their money here and have a chance of actually competing.

To me it seems that Mercedes and ASM are going to kill the Euroseries dead as well as International F3 events such as this one.
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if you dont have asm or at least a mercedes, going to euro f3 is like dreaming for 3rd place. i missed the race because stupidly i got my times mixed up with them being an hour ahead but when i turned on the stream to see hamilton being interviewed i just said well done lewis and got back to what i was doing before. it seems sutil got second, well no surprises there then....the f3 euroseries just isnt interesting. its a mini f1 2002. i knew thats what would happen when it was given all this very proffesional look about it. i suppose its a good way to train for f1 because in f1, you are nowhere if you are in the wrong team...

well done asm and lewis though. any team who can take eric salignon and adrian sutil to the podium of the marlboro masters is doing something right...
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just looked up the results. seems james rossiter didnt finish.

anyone know what happened?
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Collided with Bruno Senna and broke his front suspension I think
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shame. im sure he would have did a carroll and watts did in 2003 and overtook loads of cars.
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Would someone post the results please....
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without wishing to labour the point, Lewis was 7 1/2 seconds ahead of his (asm) team mate going intop the last lap and nacked off to reduce the margin. I seem to recall he wasn't too shabby in his Manor car last year or indeed in UK FR or karting....
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Old 12 Jun 2005, 15:01 (Ref:1326360)   #74
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Lewis Hamilton is awesome! It looks as if he made the right decision to stay in F3 and not go to GP2, as he is probably going to add the euroseries title to his name, as well as all of the prestigious non-championship events, if he doesn't make any mistakes.
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Old 12 Jun 2005, 15:05 (Ref:1326363)   #75
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I absolutely agree Hamilton is an awesome prospect and fully deserved the win, not so sure he's learning alot though as he's just going out and blitzing the field every weekend. Due to a combination of both his talent and by far the best car he never finds himself involved in any kind of physical battle or if he does its very rare. Not saying he has no race craft as I've seen it and its superb but I'm sure just waltzing away to win by 7 secs each weekend isn't actually teaching him much.

I'm sure if he was in GP2 he would have learnt a lot more in terms of racecraft and that side of things and possibly how to develop a car with it being the first year of the formula and things being developed all the time.
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