TIER 1 MOTOR RACING, DOES IT STILl EXIST WITH CREDIBIITY

[promax]

Originally Posted by mikuni

Article here
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/new...ectid=11393679

It really feels like they are desperate, they have no idea and are trying everything. I mean, bands, dj's and combing Motorsport with other sports like cycling? Seriously, what are they even thinking? It's almost like they have decided that there is no future in Motorsport so they are just going to start having other festivals and events at tracks, and if some cars happening o be going round the track at the same time then that's a bonus.

There is just one area in there that gives me any hope, and that's when the guy says we need bigger grids.

But then seriously, he's a rugby player. What could a rugby player ever know about growin Motorsport in nz?

so in your world.. rugby players only know about rugby?

[socram]

Originally Posted by promax

so in your world.. rugby players only know about rugby?

Not exactly, but the inference is that whilst he may be a petrolhead he may have zero knowledge of the grass roots majority involvement and even less knowledge of their major concerns.

As I see it (and I may be wrong), this wasting more of MSNZ's income trying to promote a tiny fraction of the sport, that has a minimal number of people involved. I doubt that he has a deep understanding of the sport.

Even if the existing classes of Tier 1 grid sizes are doubled (and yes, he certainly sees that as an issue), the grids are still less than half full, which is still pathetic.

I can't see one outsider being able to convince MSNZ that the current classes are not working if the rank and file comments can't persuade them. Or will it be a case of 'well, we are paying for advice so (now) we'll listen'?

To use the old definition of a consultant: "Someone who walks in, borrows your watch, tells you what the time is - and more often than not, walks off with your watch - and sends you a big fat bill."

[promax]

oh I'm not saying this company is the right one. their efforts so far.. are pretty damn poor! just that the last line in that post was uncalled for. remember there are plenty of people with a lifetime of experience in motorsport.. that are involved with the mess the sport is currently in. who knows when that will end :/ 10Sevent is only hired to promote meetings (are they not?) not run the show.

[pukekoheracer]

Originally Posted by promax

oh I'm not saying this company is the right one. their efforts so far.. are pretty damn poor! just that the last line in that post was uncalled for. remember there are plenty of people with a lifetime of experience in motorsport.. that are involved with the mess the sport is currently in. who knows when that will end :/ 10Sevent is only hired to promote meetings (are they not?) not run the show.

So how do they get paid? If it all.

[promax]

who is they?

[socram]

Promax - see the above or the link.

I gather that on good authority they are NOT being paid by MSNZ. Could be interesting to see what they do, how well they do it and for how long, if they are carrying the financial risk.

Maybe MSNZ needs to send out its own newsletter in advance of a journalist being able to publish his own slant on things, so that we can note any bias for or against? This is the communications age after all, for better or worse.

[Southern Man]

Tier 1 is a name that is only alive in the minds of those who are consigned to live in the years of history, it does not exist in todays world of motorsport. It is a name or title that was dumped along with a lot of other rubbish a couple of years back.

Now as for National race meetings, once again Timaru had a well supported meeting this weekend past with public attendance similar to that of the better days of NZV8's and TRS. Great weather, great crowd, great racing and just like old times the clubrooms were well supported afterwards.

[The Realist]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Tier 1 is a name that is only alive in the minds of those who are consigned to live in the years of history, it does not exist in todays world of motorsport. It is a name or title that was dumped along with a lot of other rubbish a couple of years back.

Now as for National race meetings, once again Timaru had a well supported meeting this weekend past with public attendance similar to that of the better days of NZV8's and TRS. Great weather, great crowd, great racing and just like old times the clubrooms were well supported afterwards.

Levels Meeting had good grids, good crowd, and even made the 6 o'clock news on Sunday evening.
I think we can learn something from this type of event.

Anyone know the crowd numbers from Highlands or Hampton Downs over the weekend?

[Goat Boy]

I reckon it could be time to revive the Wings & Wheels format of old - you always get LOADS of people to an airshow, they could do it at Whenuapai although you'd want some stands as there are no vantage points really (except on top of the hangars...)

[RogerH]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I reckon it could be time to revive the Wings & Wheels format of old - you always get LOADS of people to an airshow, they could do it at Whenuapai although you'd want some stands as there are no vantage points really (except on top of the hangars...)

TACCOC ran the Wings and Wheels at Whenuapai and it was highly successful - however, it only happened because the base commander (Jim Barclay) was a TACCOC member and a motor sport competitor. When Jim left Whenuapai the events stopped and despite requests to the Air Force there was no interest from them to make the base available again.
A real pity as I'm sure the format would work today and bring huge crowds.

[socram]

Agree. It also used to raise a lot of money for the Air Force's chosen charity. Crowds of up to 40,000 were not unknown and traffic management was rarely a major issue either.

Loved those meetings as a flaggie and later as a competitor.

[Goat Boy]

I have been to one or two at Ardmore in the past, too, but they are so busy now that I suppose that would not "fly" either.

[GHOGH]

Have a Wings and Wheels at HD, fly the planes from Ardmore and have a few ag planes from the grass runway at Koheroa road.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Me...8196b?hl=en_uk

Need to separate the vehicles from the people.
Put a 50 km/h limit with cameras on SH1 for the afternoon so the gawkers at the low flying planes do not cause accidents.

Ardmore Feb 2015
http://www.ardmoreshowdown.co.nz/

[Goat Boy]

Well bugger me days, I must be psychic or something! I will be heading to that for sure!

[Chappelli]

Originally Posted by promax

oh I'm not saying this company is the right one. their efforts so far.. are pretty damn poor! just that the last line in that post was uncalled for. remember there are plenty of people with a lifetime of experience in motorsport.. that are involved with the mess the sport is currently in. who knows when that will end :/ 10Sevent is only hired to promote meetings (are they not?) not run the show.

Exactly.
Dean Lonergan is an ex League player who also happens to own 49% of what’s arguably New Zealand’s best sports promotions company.

I think your point about people with a lifetime of Motorsport experience being involved in the mess is salient as well.

But neither of the above make 10Seventy a good or even half decent choice as a promoter.

What I find astounding is that out of the dozens and dozens of events and promotions companies in New Zealand, 10Seventy won the business.... To me that says one of two things. Either motorsport in NZ as a viable entertainment option is terminal OR the pitch was something less than a proactive affair looking for the best promoter willing/available... Anyone know of any other companies asked to pitch for the business?

[pukekoheracer]

Originally Posted by Chappelli

Exactly.
Dean Lonergan is an ex League player who also happens to own 49% of what’s arguably New Zealand’s best sports promotions company.

I think your point about people with a lifetime of Motorsport experience being involved in the mess is salient as well.

But neither of the above make 10Seventy a good or even half decent choice as a promoter.

What I find astounding is that out of the dozens and dozens of events and promotions companies in New Zealand, 10Seventy won the business.... To me that says one of two things. Either motorsport in NZ as a viable entertainment option is terminal OR the pitch was something less than a proactive affair looking for the best promoter willing/available... Anyone know of any other companies asked to pitch for the business?

What have they done in the Past?

[Goat Boy]

These are the directors/shareholders:

Mareet Yve CARLEY
312 Waerenga Road, Rd 1, Te Kauwhata, 3781

Ross Ami FILIPO
10 Highview Court, Flagstaff, Hamilton, 3210

Robert Maurice SCRIMGEOUR
235 Riverside Drive, Waterloo, Lower Hutt, 5011

Has anyone ever heard of them, or could they be married to others with prior involvement?

This is their website: http://www.10seventy.com/about-us.html

Check this though - their ONLY client is MSNZ...
http://www.10seventy.com/services.html

[Goat Boy]

So...

Ross Filipo is a former Wellington lock (some of you probably knew that)

Rob Scrimgeour's history on LinkedIn looks like this:



Director

Design Cloud
October 2012 – Present (2 years 5 months)


TMC

Creative Coordinator

TMC
April 2008 – October 2012 (4 years 7 months)


Centre for Creative Industries Technician

Wellington Institute of Technology
January 2006 – April 2008 (2 years 4 months)

Now when I saw TMC I thought, "Hello...," but I don't think it's the same thing. As for Mareet Carley, she seems to have a background in high performance sports:



General Manager

Athletes to Business NZ
January 2014 – Present (1 year 2 months)|New Zealand
Career Management, Personal Development, Sustainability.

The Athletes to Business NZ Career Management platform provides support and advice through career transition, skill growth and preparation, while identifying individual strengths aligned to business and career opportunities for high performance athletes outside of their sport.
Specialists in mentoring, planning and facilitating future pathways, Athletes to Business NZ are future focused and dedicated in providing top quality relevant and practical advice to up and coming, current and past sports people.
We offer full service management including athlete brand creation for both amateur and professional athletes. As well as providing exposure to flexible employment opportunities, we connect athletes to future sponsors, provide business training, sports services and advice.



Waikato Chamber of Commerce

Board Member

Waikato Chamber of Commerce
October 2013 – Present (1 year 5 months)|Hamilton
Elected Board Member to the Waikato Chamber of Commerce.



Business Mentor

Business Mentors NZ
October 2010 – Present (4 years 5 months)|Waikato/Auckland
Business Mentor through Business Mentors NZ.



General Manager

World Class Waikato
February 2013 – January 2014 (1 year)
High Performance Athlete Sustainability.
World Class Waikato is focussed on athlete retention and development with a strong emphasis on connecting Athletes to Business.



Waikato Chamber of Commerce

Relationship Manager

Waikato Chamber of Commerce
October 2011 – February 2013 (1 year 5 months)


Director

Mystery Shop Network NZ
January 2004 – October 2007 (3 years 10 months)|Nationwide

[Goat Boy]

Now what all of this means is unclear, but I am struggling to find any connection with current or former MSNZ or TMC people, but that's only from the publicly available information.

For all I know one of them may have been shagging someone in TMC or something...

Anyone have any thoughts? I do love a good conspiracy!!

[Chappelli]

Originally Posted by pukekoheracer

What have they done in the Past?

10Seventy? As far as I know, nothing.

[bluespur]

So what better than a brand new company to produce vide a fresh look. After all is that not you have all been asking for.

Perhaps they are having an initial look to provide a robust proposal for consideration.

Given the state of the product seems like a reasonable approach to me.

Sure not going to be fixed in a short term, needs a new approach and that might take a little time to prepare.

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

For all I know one of them may have been shagging someone in TMC or something...

TMC was a hermaphrodite. It shagged itself..

[NZSTfan]

I do personally know Mareet from many years ago at uni. She went on to become a very successful business woman after setting up some shops that i think were called Copper Cactus.
Lovely person back then who married into the Carley family who runs a trucking firm in Te Kauwhata. I am sure she is still a lovely person as she had a very nice persona about her.
Clearly successful too in business

[promax]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

TMC was a hermaphrodite. It shagged itself..

hermaphrodites shag themselves?

you learn something new every day!

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

TMC was a hermaphrodite. It shagged itself..

Oh that's a gem. A hermaphrodite is also "a person or thing combining opposite qualities or characteristics". In other words gentlemen, they didn't know if they were coming or going!

And that's the long and the Short of it!!