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Old 11 May 2017, 05:45 (Ref:3732756)   #201
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I think that before too long Liberty might appreciate the wise words of Lyndon Johnson about the reasons for appointing Spiro Agnew as his Vice-President.For those too young to remember,it involved tents...
I've looked all over Google & Wiki and can't find a meaningful link.?
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I did some more digging and it was actually LBJ and Nixon, not Agnew and it's a worthy quote.
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I did some more digging and it was actually LBJ and Nixon, not Agnew and it's a worthy quote.
Commonly the quote is attributed to LBJ and refers to J Edgar Hoover of the FBI
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Tilke gets a lot of flak, but didn't he design Sepang and Istanbul, two pretty good tracks?
i like the Austin track as well and i think it makes really good use of its natural landscape....not sure how much involvement he had for that track though.

for sure he has a philosophy which gets used at all of his tracks (so there is a lack of variety) but i dont seem to notice (as much anyways) the same issues F1 cars have at Tilke tracks vs other series.

cant really blame Tilke for F1's aero and tire marbles/dirty line issues which contribute to the lack of overtaking.
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i like the Austin track as well and i think it makes really good use of its natural landscape....not sure how much involvement he had for that track though.

for sure he has a philosophy which gets used at all of his tracks (so there is a lack of variety) but i dont seem to notice (as much anyways) the same issues F1 cars have at Tilke tracks vs other series.

cant really blame Tilke for F1's aero and tire marbles/dirty line issues which contribute to the lack of overtaking.
It wasn't all Tilke. The layout was conceived by promoter Tavo Hellmund and 1993 Motorcycle World Champion Kevin Schwantz.
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I don't see why new circuits aren't put out to tender
The question is... In the past, was there a preferred vendor list as provided by F1 that had effectively one name on the list? I expect a large part of selling your services to whoever is constructing a future F1 track would be talking to how you have the relationships inside FIA (or whoever) to ensure that the track meets the guidelines to get the right certification, plus plenty of experience in doing this type of thing. I suspect that frankly going up against Tilke in a competitive bid scenario and also trying to reduce risk (i.e. low bidder who has zero experience doing this work has little chance of winning a large contract) would be hard.

I also fully expect that the design process is a combined effort between whoever will own the track and the design firm. So while we may pick on Tilke, at the end of the day, the track owners... "own" the design which they ultimately would have approved before construction starts. They can't pass the buck. From their perspectives they may be very happy with what Tilke (entire organization) provides?

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It wasn't all Tilke. The layout was conceived by promoter Tavo Hellmund and 1993 Motorcycle World Champion Kevin Schwantz.
they did a good job!...particularity like the use of the natural landscape and the elevation changes.
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...I expect a large part of selling your services to whoever is constructing a future F1 track would be talking to how you have the relationships inside FIA (or whoever) to ensure that the track meets the guidelines to get the right certification, plus plenty of experience in doing this type of thing...
The FIA circuit design requirements are in the public domain and anyone with motorsport and construction experience should be able to interpret and apply the requirements accordingly.
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The FIA circuit design requirements are in the public domain and anyone with motorsport and construction experience should be able to interpret and apply the requirements accordingly.
Fully understand that. You completely missed my point. I expect part of what Tilke sells is experience. I am not advocating for Tilke at all but believe me past experience absolutely factors into the vendor selection process for high dollar projects. Is even likely that without prior experience a vendor may not even qualify to bid.

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The thing is no-one else has the levels of recent experience that his company do. Not just in building to the FIA requirements but also the buildings and infrastructure that go with it. But also advising on changes to circuits.

That alone makes his company difficult to beat if it went to a short list.

Apex are the only other company that even springs to mind for the short list.
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Rose-tinted spectacles and/or selective memory?

I think a dispassionate study will reveal that LH is far better behaved - and certainly more sober - than G Hill ever was.
Interesting item in the news, today.

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singular in this case (Vettel, as usual) since the FIA examined LH's data and stated he had not brake-tested SV, nor even slowed..

Your point was...?
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Well what do we make of F1 since Bernie went? Does anyone else notice a ramping up of the "entertainment" side? Safety cars instead of VSC to pick up the small pieces of debris. Allowing cars to continue despite shedding said debris - an obvious black/orange flag on "normal" racing. And now paltry penalties for dangerous driving, because it gets F1 headline news around the world.

Just how bad was Bernie again? At least he was a racing purist, he didn't worry about ratings as long as someone was settling his huge bills.

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Well what do we make of F1 since Bernie went? Does anyone else notice a ramping up of the "entertainment" side? Safety cars instead of VSC to pick up the small pieces of debris. Allowing cars to continue despite shedding said debris - an obvious black/orange flag on "normal" racing. And now paltry penalties for dangerous driving, because it gets F1 headline news around the world.

Just how bad was Bernie again? At least he was a racing purist, he didn't worry about ratings as long as someone was settling his huge bills.

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This was only one race and the 8th of a 22 race season, so it's far too early to make a judgement. Wait till the chequered flag is waived at Abu Dhabi.
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I wouldn't judge it on the actions of one race either. We've had many feelgood stories like with the Ferrari fan in Spain, Fred going to Indy and then joining the crowd in Canada. I think the human element is returning to F1, which was always hidden before
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F1's marketing has improved dramatically, no question about that.

Racing hasn't. DRS is still there. Very few teams can aspire to podiums. Costs are prohibitive.
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just on the racing side of things, Pirelli are acting far more sensibly then they did when they had the cover of BE and his magic mandate formula and as a result one could say the racing is better because the company is now more open to supplying the tire compounds the teams actually want.

dont know who gets credit for that though?

9 out of 10 teams scored points at Baku...is that a win for the Liberty era or BE era?
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Well what do we make of F1 since Bernie went? Does anyone else notice a ramping up of the "entertainment" side? Safety cars instead of VSC to pick up the small pieces of debris. Allowing cars to continue despite shedding said debris - an obvious black/orange flag on "normal" racing. And now paltry penalties for dangerous driving, because it gets F1 headline news around the world.

Just how bad was Bernie again? At least he was a racing purist, he didn't worry about ratings as long as someone was settling his huge bills.

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wut, lol?Bernie Eccelstone a racing purist? What was that mental medal idea he had again a few years ago?

I don't think the paltry penalty was a decree that was issued from Chase.

The words out of Liberty are good, particularly the attention to cultivating the European venues and the respect for its history. Eccelstone was the exact inverse of that.

But the proof is in the pudding. If there's a ramping up of gimmicks, then that's not good from the pov of what I want from the sport.
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Bernie didn't care as long as he got good profit. That's why he always went for wacky ideas like medals, knockout quali, double points, sprinklers, shortcuts. Thankfully they are all confined to the scrapheap
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Bernie didn't care as long as he got good profit. That's why he always went for wacky ideas like medals, knockout quali, double points, sprinklers, shortcuts. Thankfully they are all confined to the scrapheap
The whole F1 business was in Bernie's head, he didn't see new things as opportunties he saw them as risk to his business model. He didn't have a marketing team he had himself and a lawyer. It's amazing that you could run a multi billion dollar global business like that, but he did.
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