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CoG Parity...
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The complaints about the ZB are loud and getting louder, however they conveniently ignore that the body panels for those cars weren’t able to be pressed locally in special runs, and needed to be fabricated completely to suit the unique sizing of the CotF base platform. ZB is a brand new chassis shape, Ford’s FG/X had its origins back in 2013, as did the Nissan Altima. It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that design and construction techniques have moved along in 5 or so years.... Can you actually design a test to measure CoG across multiple chassis? There is a certain team principal that seems to be building a strong reputation for whinginging, instead of just getting on with the job... |
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I would have suggested the guy in pits 3-5 but he is already known for whinging Would changing the roof on the ford and nissan from steel to composite move ten kgs from high up to down low, thats massive in COG terms of the car Last edited by peckstar; 3 Mar 2018 at 22:10. |
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Instead of going to the trouble & expense of designing replacement panels for a long superseded car, and effectively junking the stockpile of existing spares, would the logical focus not be on designing the new chassis shape equipped with a Ford engine, instead of playing with Grandpa’s Axe?
The fella in charge of garages 3-5 is leaps and bounds ahead of all the others in the use of manipulating the narrative. Yet can equally stand up in front of whatever camera shows up and say hand on heart when his squad doesn’t do a good enough job. ZB has been coming for 2 years now. FG/X has not been updated for at least that long... is that Holden’s fault, to build a modern mousetrap? Smoke & mirrors much? |
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Maybe the Nissan and Ford teams should be more proactive in their homologation? Seems to be a common theme, that they've not had any foresight in the development of their cars. They just don't lobby the catagory management hard enough to get things through, that could be seemingly benefical down the track. |
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Answer in ten words or less: yeah, but it'd be unfeasibly complicated and unwieldy. So, no. |
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Read the article it explains the issue towards the bottom. Its a significant change in how we do things which will add significant cost over what we have been doing |
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888 have IMO been extremely creative in their interpretation of the rules. Choosing, for example, a composite rear firewall even though sheetmetal is cheap and easily fabricated into the required shape..... Ford and Nissan runners have every right to be aggrieved at the Commodore having a Centre of gravity advantage in a supposed parity car of the future platform, where the Commodore, Altima and Falcon are meant to have equal chances. |
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The Falcon and Altima runners, having dutifully homologated their bodywork in good faith, could not have anticipated the change in regulations at the time of homologation. Neither can spare the expense to needlessly update their bodywork on their cars that aren't on sale anymore and which ARE supposed to be guaranteed to remain at parity under COTF principles... |
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They were guaranteed that all cars homologated under COTF would have parity, and their Falcon FGX would remain with the same chance to win as everyone else until 2020 when it's homologation will expire. |
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It happened in the Volvo days, they had to shift ballast around to correct a perceived advantage due to engine weight.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/motor-s...0ea09ee1682d50 |
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DJRTP really taking the **** now. Moaning about centre of gravity inequality to the ZB, after 1 race at a track where a Commodore has won 18 of the 19 starts.
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A "whinging bloke's" fully sorted car beat a car at its first competitive debut by 1/10th of a second despite having his backside handed to him yesterday by two separate teams in that same new car?
Rolands 'fluid' translation of the rules will be the nail in any manufacturer either renewing or entering the series. IMO. |
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Formula One drivers don't sit on the floor just because they enjoy their backside being "massaged" when bottoming out! For the Falcon and Altima to be at a fundamental disadvantage is untenable given Car of the Future is supposed to provide parity regardless of which bodyshape you race. |
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They also know the commodore is using a composite roof and composite rear hatch, while they know their Falcon and Altima are using a steel roof and steel bootlid. You may recall that cars such as the BMW M3 have a carbon fibre roof option available at considerable expense to lower the COG. Again the Falcon and Altima runners are adding 1+1 to make 2. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 4 Mar 2018 at 00:01. |
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Just as they lobbied for the flat plane cranks, their own tailshaft design, bootlid extension and composite headlights. |
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Interesting point from Mr Dutton that I saw somewhere pointed out that the ZB, being a hatchback, has quite a bit of hinge etc support structure high up under the roof that the other cars, being sedans have lower in the car. You'd certainly expect that any new racecar built would have a lower CoG than its predecessor, that is part of evolution and development but until someone is able to measure what the difference actually is, the whole moanfest is all based on conjecture - generated at this stage from 1 race at a track at which 888 (and WAU for that matter) have previously delivered good results. Big difference for me watching them all is just how effective the 888 damper program is - those things just glide over the bumps/kerbs compared to the other teams. Maybe the other teams need to spend more time on their damper programs rather than moaning about supposed CoG differences? |
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