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Old 26 Jun 2006, 08:06 (Ref:1641314)   #1
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Rolling starts the way to go?

After doing a couple of rolling starts in the DTRC and yesterday doing three starts (one race red flagged and restarted) at Rockingham, I really have become a fan. Every race got off without incident and was far better on the car. I have heard it said it favours the turbo cars but I also found it good with my heavy old normally asperated car having a bit of momentem I could really get a slingshot.

I would like to see this introduced at more club level racing, what do you guys think.
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 09:25 (Ref:1641368)   #2
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No - because it disadvantages light, lower-powered cars with reliable clutches and road tyres

Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other, isn't it...?
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 09:38 (Ref:1641384)   #3
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[quote=Al Weyman]...with my heavy old normally asperated car...quote]

my heavy old normally asperated several hundered horsepower car...


I think there's room for both kinds of start, surely it helps us all improve?
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 09:45 (Ref:1641389)   #4
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No, just keep it for those with crap clutches and bad reactions
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 09:48 (Ref:1641392)   #5
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I have a reliable clutch, a Mcloed twin plate unit and a triple plate Tilton but that is not the only issue, what about bog downs on starts, cars stalling, Front wheel drive cars sitting there with their wheels spinning, my car hooks up like a dragster off the line but it can be dangerous, so from a safety aspect it must be better surely. I have already wrote one guys car off in a startline incident when the car in front of him stalled and he pulled out across the front of me because my reactions were quicker and had forseen the incident and was already on the outside line, that just would not have happened with a rolling start and I don't want to do it again cause it ain't nice.

Anyhow you little lightweights have enough advantage during the race (ban 205's), give us a break and at least you will then have to fight for your position if I get passed you at the start. :-)

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Old 26 Jun 2006, 09:57 (Ref:1641400)   #6
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Anyhow you little lightweights have enough advantage during the race (ban 205's), give us a break and at least you will then have to fight for your position if I get passed you at the start. :-)
I wouldn't call 1000kg and a 4.2 lt straight 6 with 230bhp a lightweight.
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 10:00 (Ref:1641405)   #7
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I agree with rolling starts, easier on the transmission. However, you can always tell who has competed in speed events before embarking on circuit racing. Go and do a season of sprinting; you will learn how to do standing starts !!!!!!!!
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 10:05 (Ref:1641408)   #8
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i think rolling starts are safer, even though there may be a big speed differential between some cars its nothing the the differential you get if a car doesn't get off the line on a standing start.

to get rolling starts to work properly though things do have to be kept really "tight" in the first DTRC race at combe i was at the back of the grid following a problem in practise, the grid had got so stretched out, by the time i came round camp, the race was already underway and the front runners were already at quarry
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 10:10 (Ref:1641416)   #9
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I have heard it said it favours the turbo cars .

hmm not so sure myself, having done rolling starts in both responsive atmo and turbo cars, i would say its swings and roundabouts. the exact speed the start takes place has more effect then anything, i wish the line up would hold a constant speed upto the line rather than either speeding up or slowing down sometimes a couple of times, if the rolling speed was constant, you wouldn't catch anyone out just off cam or boost or at the other extremme needing an instant gearchange the moment the lights change
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 11:55 (Ref:1641519)   #10
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Turbo's like standing starts, you can hold the revs right on the boost curve, combine with 4WD and you are ready to party. FWD need control though.

I find the start the most exciting part of a race, not that I get it right all the time, or anything. I feel we would loose something if they were all rolling.
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 12:41 (Ref:1641546)   #11
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another comment

From the "Starter's" point of view you have to decide to give the green or wave off for another 'round. With a poorly disciplined group this can take three or four 'rounds until they realize it. Tends to consume track time.

When possible, I like to go to the false grid before the start and remind #1 not to accellerate before the the green is shown and remind #2 to watch me AND #1 so as not to get ahead.

Then of course you have the the safety factor which favors the rolling start but can become messy at the first turn due to the arrival of many cars at once.

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Old 26 Jun 2006, 14:21 (Ref:1641623)   #12
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Re: Rolling starts being safer, the chance of an accident may be less due to the lack of risk of stallers - but that must be balanced against the increased speed, and if something does happen, particularly first corner incidents, they could end up worse.
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 14:36 (Ref:1641632)   #13
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to get rolling starts to work properly though things do have to be kept really "tight" in the first DTRC race at combe i was at the back of the grid following a problem in practise, the grid had got so stretched out, by the time i came round camp, the race was already underway and the front runners were already at quarry
Conversely I'm convinced it was the bunched nature of the pack that caused Steve Govetts big off at one of the TRC Lydden rounds last season - four cars abreast around Chessons doesn't work. Everyone was on top of each other with no gaps or room for error, from a standing start that would have been less likely.
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Old 26 Jun 2006, 14:43 (Ref:1641639)   #14
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I much prefer starting at lights because on average I make up around 2 or 3 places because some how I have quicker reactions than most of my rivals, my Dad is good at it too, must run in the family!
Doing a rolling start everyone else is at full throttle at the same time! So its not as fun and not as fruitful from my point of view!

PS Neither my Dad or I have never been accused of jump starting!
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I think this thread is relevant to most racers, so I have moved it to the Racers' Forum.
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