Is Skaife/888 in the poo? - Page 3

mmciau · 2 Mar 2010, 09:38 (Ref:2643207)

Oh dear!!

Senior Counsels at $10,000 per hour

All for a petty squabble over who is driving what!

Mike

billy bigtime · 2 Mar 2010, 11:21 (Ref:2643232)

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Originally Posted by mmciau

Oh dear!!

Senior Counsels at $10,000 per hour

All for a petty squabble over who is driving what!

Mike

Bull****. Rules were broken and a penalty should be applied.

STEALTHY · 2 Mar 2010, 11:23 (Ref:2643233)

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Originally Posted by billy bigtime

Bull****. Rules were broken and a penalty should be applied.

No rules as they are currently written were broken.
Against the spirit of the sport, maybe (and T8 are known for that) but not anything worth implementing a penalty.

Senna05 · 2 Mar 2010, 11:27 (Ref:2643234)

Billy, the ammount of times you've boken nettiquette on here, you should pay us a 40 day grace without your pressence. Likelihood, 0%. Get over it.

Is Mark, V8 Supercar, or Channel 7 to be of real blame here? I say the latter 2 moreso, and Mark somewhat.

Finally, why was this only identified 9 days after the "initial" infringement? I dare say as it's being blown up out of proportion.

Paul Morris has put more lives at risk with his risky behaviour than an advantage gained here without penalty. Tell me I'm wrong and prove it, and I'll gracefully leave the forum for life.

NewsStalker · 2 Mar 2010, 18:30 (Ref:2643466)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

The wording can be taken either way. It just says 'test track', nothing about a VESA approved test track. The exemption is clearly 'show laps at each circuit' so that has to be done at each place we go.....

Read the definitions of Test Track in the original link I gave then - D 1.2 and D 1.3

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D 1.2 Testing Permitted

The Testing of any Car, other than at and part of a Meeting, will be permitted only subject to
all parts of this Rule D 1.

D 1.3 Test Tracks Location

1.3.1 Testing may only be undertaken at a Test Track located in the State or Territory in

which the Team or Group is based, other than at a V8 Supercars Test Day.

(Also - read the remainder of D 1.3)

STEALTHY · 2 Mar 2010, 20:57 (Ref:2643582)

The point i was trying to make was, because it was for 'promotional' reasons, it wouldn't have to be at a designated test track......How else would they show a lap of bahrain.......

NewsStalker · 2 Mar 2010, 21:15 (Ref:2643597)

I understand that - but read the rule in its entirety - not just the bit you want to see. It allows for 'demonstration' runs but then clarifies this by stating at 'test tracks' only.

Like I said - the intent of the rule isn't what is written and, all it will take is one smart arse lawyer to argue this and win. You can't enforce a rule on intent if it is contradictory with itself or other rules.

STEALTHY · 2 Mar 2010, 22:10 (Ref:2643649)

So its already obvious this is separate to that. I doubt very much anyone can get a fine etc for something they were contracted to do by the rule makers......good lawyer or no lawyer.

'Hey, go drive that car for a few parade laps' 'but thats illegal' ' do it anyway'
Although if anyone was to get a fine for such a thing, it would be Skaife. That term is called 'to be walkinshawed'

NewsStalker · 3 Mar 2010, 00:17 (Ref:2643707)

Maybe they won't get fined - but consider a team operator (2 years ago I would have said one that wears glasses and has oil all over his cars) deciding - 'Hey the rules say this - Protest!' and then carrying it through as far as he can.

Maybe they don;t achieve anything physical - but it sure ties a team up with innuendo and worry in case it does go pear shaped.

John Lennon said it best with one of his album titles - Mind Games....

kittle · 3 Mar 2010, 00:22 (Ref:2643714)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

......How else would they show a lap of bahrain.......

Like they normally do. Incar fortage. every car has a camera. this is how they used to do it a few years ago.

aussiemuscle308 · 3 Mar 2010, 00:29 (Ref:2643715)

Given the furore over some apprentices LOOKING at a competitor's car, how do they feel about someone else DRIVING it?

i know i wouldn't want a competitor driving my car.

STEALTHY · 3 Mar 2010, 00:56 (Ref:2643724)

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Originally Posted by kittle

Like they normally do. Incar fortage. every car has a camera. this is how they used to do it a few years ago.

Let me rephrase that, how else would they show a lap of bahrain with the commentators describing it whilst they are driving it?

Plenty of storm in a teacup in here.

I still dont think any rules have been broken. They aren't testing, so it can't be classed as that.....

**GTRMagic** · 3 Mar 2010, 01:01 (Ref:2643727)

A funny one... Mr Skaife drove #15 in Abu Dhabi and broke a tailshaft... Mr Skaife drove #1 in Bahrain.. and according to MeN, #1 had a gearbox that jumped out of 3rd gear...

Too hard on the gear?

Or just unlucky

Bevan-L · 3 Mar 2010, 05:54 (Ref:2643799)

I love internet forums

kmsport · 3 Mar 2010, 09:35 (Ref:2643878)

I always assumed that Gonzo retired because he was getting slow.

Axeman444 · 4 Mar 2010, 00:43 (Ref:2644505)

retired? he's still driving... or was he pushed...

billy bigtime · 4 Mar 2010, 03:23 (Ref:2644551)

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Originally Posted by Axeman444

retired? he's still driving... or was he pushed...

He had to sell his ride or go into bankruptcy.

STEALTHY · 4 Mar 2010, 04:18 (Ref:2644564)

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Originally Posted by kmsport

I always assumed that Gonzo retired because he was getting slow.

Who's gonzo? Some wierd nickname for DJs bro who just retired?

Matt · 4 Mar 2010, 04:44 (Ref:2644569)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Who's gonzo? Some wierd nickname for DJs bro who just retired?

Skaife.

TSR · 4 Mar 2010, 09:45 (Ref:2644683)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Who's gonzo? Some wierd nickname for DJs bro who just retired?

DJ's brothers nickname is Dyno

rik · 5 Mar 2010, 09:13 (Ref:2645351)

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Originally Posted by NewsStalker

I understand that - but read the rule in its entirety - not just the bit you want to see. It allows for 'demonstration' runs but then clarifies this by stating at 'test tracks' only.

Well if you read rule D1.3.1, the test track MUST be in the teams home state. So that technically means any team who's had a corporate ride day at Eastern Creek or Baragallo, or a Vic team doing ride days at QLD raceway, etc. has broken the rules too.

Which means almost certainly ALL teams have technically broken the rule!!!

Ban them ALL I say!

1200Datto27 · 5 Mar 2010, 11:13 (Ref:2645432)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Who's gonzo? Some wierd nickname for DJs bro who just retired?

Never watched "The Muppet Show" I take it...

You can see the similarity.

Gaz170 · 5 Mar 2010, 22:29 (Ref:2645845)

I personally did have an issue with Skaife driving other teams cars given his contract with 888. I not able to judge if it was legal or not, but V8Supercars and Ch7 need to remember anything that can look to be wrong shouldn't be done.
The perception that Skaife and 888 could gain an advantage should have seen the idea canned.
I have no issues with Crompton or Larkham driving as they are not contracted for the enduros, it would be wise to only let them do the laps from now on.

STEALTHY · 5 Mar 2010, 22:57 (Ref:2645857)

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Originally Posted by 1200Datto27

Never watched "The Muppet Show" I take it...

You can see the similarity.

Yes, seen it, just wasnt sure about the reference (and now that its been mentioned, it just seems laughable, his nose isn't even big, bigger than others, but not huge, like gonzo's

)

kmsport · 7 Mar 2010, 01:40 (Ref:2646428)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Yes, seen it, just wasnt sure about the reference (and now that its been mentioned, it just seems laughable, his nose isn't even big, bigger than others, but not huge, like gonzo's

)

Yeah, whoops, on second thoughts his nose aint that big. My bad.

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