Team McLaren - can they compete? - Page 59

**Peter Mallett** · 11 Sep 2018, 14:31 (Ref:3849404)

What about letters? A to V.

JHamilton · 11 Sep 2018, 15:37 (Ref:3849421)

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Originally Posted by E.B

Because that is the traditional way it was done prior to this recent drivers chosen career number nonsense.

Interesting, I didn't know that. I associate numbers with teams and occasionally standout drivers.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 11 Sep 2018, 15:38 (Ref:3849422)

Formula 1 always likes to over complicate things, so initially mandate #1 for the reigning champion, with the subsequent numbers allocated to the drivers, depending on where they finished in the WDC.

After round 1, except for the reigning champion, the numbers are then reallocated for round 2, depending on where the drivers finished in the previous race and so on throughout the rest of the season.

However, I'm not too sure what this has to do with McLaren's competitiveness or lack of it but it's sort of interesting, nonetheless?

Nononsensecapeesh · 11 Sep 2018, 18:46 (Ref:3849454)

This thread seems to have gone off at a tangent.

**Aysedasi** · 11 Sep 2018, 18:50 (Ref:3849457)

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Originally Posted by Nononsensecapeesh

This thread seems to have gone off at a tangent.

A lot more entertaining that way, some might say......

**BertMk2** · 11 Sep 2018, 19:48 (Ref:3849463)

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Originally Posted by Nononsensecapeesh

This thread seems to have gone off at a tangent.

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

A lot more entertaining that way, some might say......

If it stuck to topic it'd be over pretty quickly - "No".

crmalcolm · 11 Sep 2018, 20:14 (Ref:3849470)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

If it stuck to topic it'd be over pretty quickly - "No".

They're running the lowest number, so traditionally a competitive sign!

wnut · 12 Sep 2018, 00:22 (Ref:3849516)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

What numbers would rookies run?

31 plus indicating they are rookies.

So on the system 2018 numbers would be:

1 Hamilton
2 Vettel
3 Bottas
4 Raikkonen
5 Ricciardo
6 Verstappen

31 Leclerc ? Allocated according to when named in the seat.

Guess what FOM wouldn't like is that it may make the grid look a bit thin.

wnut · 12 Sep 2018, 00:47 (Ref:3849518)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

“McLaren: Can they compete?” They say no - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...-poorEURTM-car

Mr Brown is already on record saying that it may take as long as ten years to get back to full competitiveness. Neatly giving himself ten years in the top job at McLaren.

I think the current management of McLaren is going to ruin it, if I had shares I would be offloading them as fast as possible.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula-one/44725602

**bjohnsonsmith** · 12 Sep 2018, 02:31 (Ref:3849525)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Mr Brown is already on record saying that it may take as long as ten years to get back to full competitiveness. Neatly giving himself ten years in the top job at McLaren.

I think the current management of McLaren is going to ruin it, if I had shares I would be offloading them as fast as possible.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula-one/44725602

In that article it says: "But Brown said he was "not done" with making changes at McLaren after six years in the wilderness." Can McLaren realistically remain in the doldrums for another 10 years, who would want to sponsor them? We've seen what happened to Force India and Williams.

As for Zak Brown, there is something about him that doesn't distill any confidence and that's because I think he really knows what he's doing. Whenever he's interviewed, he just trots out one cliche after another: ""I'm very confident of the people we have inside McLaren, that we have a good plan.", "We are in the starting process of our recovery plan, and we plan to enhance our technical team,". I could be completely wrong but I've come across people like him too many times.

BSchneiderFan · 12 Sep 2018, 07:10 (Ref:3849540)

What are McLaren’s finances like? With Williams it’s all we hear about, but McLaren not so much.

djinvicta · 12 Sep 2018, 14:32 (Ref:3849644)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

What are McLaren’s finances like? With Williams it’s all we hear about, but McLaren not so much.

Total Nett Worth 88 million Pounds... on turnover of 180 million..That is Mclaren Racing Ltd.
Looks financially fine on paper.

V8 Fireworks · 13 Sep 2018, 01:56 (Ref:3849757)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Stoff may not suit the McLaren but he is no slouch. The right environment and a car that actually works might help.

Your beef should be with McLaren as they are the ones who have dropped him (somewhat inexplicably as Norris + Vandoorne would have been a tidy lineup of McLaren junior proteges, why recruit Sainz?).

V8 Fireworks · 13 Sep 2018, 01:58 (Ref:3849758)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

And with two young guns (one of them a rookie), I think they will lack the knowledge to get the cars heading in the right direction. So more pain for McLaren fans yet.

Their problems seem to be mainly in the wind tunnel, where drivers aren't much help!

djr81 · 13 Sep 2018, 02:39 (Ref:3849764)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

What are McLaren’s finances like? With Williams it’s all we hear about, but McLaren not so much.

Wikipedia, aka the font of all knowledge says its majority owned by Bahrain. So they should be ok for a few more weeks atleast.

Mumtalakat Holding Company ("Mumtalakat") is the sovereign wealth fund of the federal government of the Kingdom of Bahrain.[1]

BSchneiderFan · 13 Sep 2018, 07:33 (Ref:3849790)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Your beef should be with McLaren as they are the ones who have dropped him (somewhat inexplicably as Norris + Vandoorne would have been a tidy lineup of McLaren junior proteges, why recruit Sainz?).

I disagree that Vandoorne’s sacking was “inexplicable”. He was underperforming.

Bcarr6 · 13 Sep 2018, 10:38 (Ref:3849823)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Your beef should be with McLaren as they are the ones who have dropped him (somewhat inexplicably as Norris + Vandoorne would have been a tidy lineup of McLaren junior proteges, why recruit Sainz?).

My guess is they think Sainz is more capable of either developing the car/team or of bringing in sponsorship than Vandoorne is. I wonder if they hope to maintain some of the sponsors who came for Alonso by putting another Spainard in the car.. Then again, what sponsors do they have at the moment anyway

Feel for Vandoorne, he's clearly a talent but he obviously needs more time. I hope he gets it somewhere and can work his way up the grid.

Im a big mclaren fan, mostly in GT (its not been so great these last few years to be a mclaren fan in either), but I did hope they could have found a solution for Vandoorne.

If they only were to enter into a P1 program...

F1Guy · 13 Sep 2018, 11:08 (Ref:3849831)

Seems as though McLaren were between a rock and a hard place regarding Norris.

Apparently, if McLaren did not sign him up for a full time drive with them for 2019, Norris was going to be a free agent before the Singapore GP. And Norris would probably end up at another team. Most likely Toro Rosso I'm guessing.

S griffin · 13 Sep 2018, 11:20 (Ref:3849833)

Apparently Stoffel has had trouble adapting from GP2 to F1

Skam85 · 13 Sep 2018, 11:36 (Ref:3849840)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Apparently Stoffel has had trouble adapting from GP2 to F1

Apparently he’s just not on Alonso’s level

crmalcolm · 13 Sep 2018, 12:35 (Ref:3849854)

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Originally Posted by Skam85

Apparently he’s just not on Alonso’s level

Apparently no one is at Alonso's level. This may probably be true. I'm just guessing though....

wnut · 13 Sep 2018, 12:54 (Ref:3849866)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Apparently no one is at Alonso's level. This may probably be true. I'm just guessing though....

Lucky Norris, nobody will ever know ...

V8 Fireworks · 14 Sep 2018, 03:13 (Ref:3849990)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Apparently no one is at Alonso's level. This may probably be true. I'm just guessing though....

McLaren used to have this Hamilton chap who has pretty good, they also had a Button chap who was pretty good too!

Skam85 · 14 Sep 2018, 04:03 (Ref:3849997)

Trulli had Alonso's measure in the first part of 2004 as well.... until he imploded thanks to a Flav nuke.

S griffin · 14 Sep 2018, 14:18 (Ref:3850108)

Only Hamilton and Vettel can get on Fred’s level and maybe Danny and Max too

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