LMP1 Privateer entries by 2017-18, your prediction?

[knighty]

Yes, kinda heard all this before........I'll believe it when I see it on the track....but if he really has sold 2 cars I can imagine this was a real snub to Ginetta, David has got one over on Goliath!....... I wouldnt even be surprised if the ACO got involved with the deal, as Ginetta and the ACO really do not get on - apparently.......to his credit, I think Perrin knows his onions, and he should be able to create a competitive LMP1 design out of the box, I believe he just did a stint at Manor as a consultant designer, so am sure some of this could be factored into the LMP1 car, no jokes please!......yes the Judd 5.5 V10 would make a fantastic LMP1 motor, still even today, well proven, competitive and reliable, fit and forget......for a privateer team to run a turbo motor, its highly complex.......a big capacity 5.5L NA motor, perhaps with a Di conversion, will be competitive for sure.......to this day I'm still convinced Orece built a croc of a car just to keep privateers away from Toyota

[Akrapovic]

I don't see it as a snub to Ginetta, more a case of going a different route to try and get an advantage. If everyone has a Ginetta then it'll be properly hard to beat anyone else, and you won't get any special treatment. If you're running a Perrin, you could end up with a better car and have an advantage straight away. And if you're the only one with a Perrin, you'll get quite a lot of support.

I love the open source idea of this car. I hope it gets a nice sounding engine (either a beefy American sounding one, or a high pitched Aston one would be wonderful ) and does well. Oh, and stop painting it bloody red. I know some RGB values they can use!

[claude2cv]

Originally Posted by knighty

I believe he just did a stint at Manor as a consultant designer, so am sure some of this could be factored into the LMP1 car, no jokes please!.....

Could this be significant in finding out who is buying the 2 cars?

Sean

[Bentley03]

Originally Posted by claude2cv

Could this be significant in finding out who is buying the 2 cars?

Sean

Manor are already announced as a Ginetta customer, so unlikely, unless the Ginetta deal has fallen through.

[Bcarr6]

If we count the Kolles car, 2x Perrin, 2x Manor, 1x KCMG, 2x SMP BR, that's already 8 cars

That'll crowd Le Mans!! So the question is where will space be found....

This years P2 grid is 25 cars.

This years GT AM grid is 16 cars.

With next years BMW addition in Pro, and we can probably assume Ford won't be running 4 cars again, that puts us at 13, or 15 cars

If you shoehorn 8 P1s in, and assume Ford go for 4 cars, you need to lose 6 cars from this years list. So three from P2, 3 from GTE AM.

I'll say this, I'd rather we gain 8 P1s and the BMWs and lose a few Am cars and P2s.

Clearwater, Scuderia Corsa, Spirit of Race, & Proton all have multiple entries in Am this year. So if they had single entries that's 3 cars gone already only three to lose from P2

[Akrapovic]

My opinion - GTE-Am will become a ELMS and AsLMS only and anyone given an entry for a GTE-Am class win would have to enter in GTE-Pro. It's what they do with LMP3 - anyone who gets a class win has to come with an LMP2. You could even go as far as saying if you don't run GTE-Am at Le Mans, then why bother with GTE-Am. Just use GT3 cars instead, so ELMS becomes LMP2, LMP3 and GT3, and that way you can introduce a promotion system to the GT3 classes in those series, like they did for LMP2.

That'd make sense and fit with the ladder style system they're trying to create.

[Mr Pink]

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

If we count the Kolles car, 2x Perrin, 2x Manor, 1x KCMG, 2x SMP BR, that's already 8 cars

That'll crowd Le Mans!! So the question is where will space be found....

This years P2 grid is 25 cars.

This years GT AM grid is 16 cars.

With next years BMW addition in Pro, and we can probably assume Ford won't be running 4 cars again, that puts us at 13, or 15 cars

If you shoehorn 8 P1s in, and assume Ford go for 4 cars, you need to lose 6 cars from this years list. So three from P2, 3 from GTE AM.

I'll say this, I'd rather we gain 8 P1s and the BMWs and lose a few Am cars and P2s.

Clearwater, Scuderia Corsa, Spirit of Race, & Proton all have multiple entries in Am this year. So if they had single entries that's 3 cars gone already only three to lose from P2

I fully agree with this sentiment. No offense to the teams running in P2 but P1 privateer is just a much more interesting class if it gets some entries. As is GTE Pro.

[ModelT]

Originally Posted by Bentley03

Manor are already announced as a Ginetta customer, so unlikely, unless the Ginetta deal has fallen through.

I would imagine the Manor deal with Ginetta, being...."If you give us a couple of cars, FOC, lend or whatever, then we will run them, providing we have paying customers."

I do not imagine for one moment that Manor is going to buy 2 Ginetta cars on spec, anymore than they would buy 2 Perrins on spec. So perhaps not a customer in the true sense.

The cost to do a WEC season even in P1 Privateer must be quite high, and also remember that the necessity of a minimum of a silver FIA licence grading, rules out a fair number of rich rent-a-drive guys.

In the end I hope that both Ginetta and Perrin do have cars on the grid next year, it can only be good for the class and the fans perhaps there will be a Renaissance at the top class of LMP

[The Badger]

Wasn't that always the plan from Rebellion , to do P2 this year and back to P1 in 2018 .

I can see Kolles next year , but with all this new tech coming out I feel it wont progress much without a chassis change .

SMP are building a P1 car with Dallara , so I expect a brace of them .

I seem to remember Greaves showing some sort of interest towards P1 in 2018

I cant see Joest staying away either , but with what is the question .

Aslo Manor have expressed a will to go P1 next year .

Ginetta with at least 3 cars ....

Oak , Im not sure what their planning but I also seem to remember talk about a P1 project , but that was awhile ago .

I can see up to 9 chassis in that grid for 2018 .

[Mr Pink]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Wasn't that always the plan from Rebellion , to do P2 this year and back to P1 in 2018 .

I can see Kolles next year , but with all this new tech coming out I feel it wont progress much without a chassis change .

SMP are building a P1 car with Dallara , so I expect a brace of them .

I seem to remember Greaves showing some sort of interest towards P1 in 2018

I cant see Joest staying away either , but with what is the question .

Aslo Manor have expressed a will to go P1 next year .

Ginetta with at least 3 cars ....

Oak , Im not sure what their planning but I also seem to remember talk about a P1 project , but that was awhile ago .

I can see up to 9 chassis in that grid for 2018 .

Any chance that Strakka might be interested in returning?

I've been out of the sportscar loop for a while so sorry if it's a dumb question.

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by Mr Pink

Any chance that Strakka might be interested in returning?

I've been out of the sportscar loop for a while so sorry if it's a dumb question.

They are running McLaren's GT3 program in Blancpain. Seems more likely they would return with a GTE McLaren. Hopefully.

[templer]

Originally Posted by Mr Pink

Any chance that Strakka might be interested in returning?

I've been out of the sportscar loop for a while so sorry if it's a dumb question.

I don't think we will see Strakka back in LMP1. Their plans were a kind of mysterious as they wanted to build their own car based on the S103 chassis while their partner DOME has had a LMP1 design ready for run in 2015.
Strakka blamed a bit DOME for the issues with their LMP2 cars while the Japanese guys are very careful in their words but if you read between the lines for example of Hiroshi Yuchi (chief designer of the S103) Strakka also doesn't accept too much support.
My personal opinion is that the S103 case was a step too much for Strakka and I don't think they have the people to develop a LMP1 by their own. But this is just my personal thinking based on comments from both sides

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by templer

I don't think we will see Strakka back in LMP1. Their plans were a kind of mysterious as they wanted to build their own car based on the S103 chassis while their partner DOME has had a LMP1 design ready for run in 2015.
Strakka blamed a bit DOME for the issues with their LMP2 cars while the Japanese guys are very careful in their words but if you read between the lines for example of Hiroshi Yuchi (chief designer of the S103) Strakka also doesn't accept too much support.
My personal opinion is that the S103 case was a step too much for Strakka and I don't think they have the people to develop a LMP1 by their own. But this is just my personal thinking based on comments from both sides

Maybe the new way LMP1 is going with cars being sold by Ginetta and co would suit Strakka better though?

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Maybe the new way LMP1 is going with cars being sold by Ginetta and co would suit Strakka better though?

Strakka went to McLaren on the promise of GTE

Count down the months to the announcement!!

[Mike E]

Some interesting thoughts here on the appeal (or lack of appeal) of LMP1 Privateer.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/0...ody-asked.html

[joeb]

During Le Mans Sam Collins mentioned there will be another P1 program coming from Japan by a (i forget the actual adjective) "significant" motorsport manufacturer. My first thought was Dome, but i doubt it after their recent history. Also, Sam said this team plans on being on the overall le mans podium in 3 years.

Does anybody else remember this more clearly than me?

[Scorchess]

In post race tech he said "the Japanese people" and then when Hindy asked for clarification he said Dome. There was apparently an announcement but only in Japanese and Collins said they were quite serious about it.

[Akrapovic]

Dome changed management recently, so it may be a return because of that.

[Japanese Samurai]

However, Dome doesn't have wind tunnel nor autoclave.
I think it's realistic to participate in LMP1-L by an original body cowl in LMP2 monocoque and the TRD engine.

[Skemer]

I think the ACO´s plan to spec LMP2 and as a result increasing the interest for LMP1(L) is starting to come together. As seen by the recent rise in interest concerning multiple parties. Also the result in LMP1 in this years Le Mans 24h can boost that interest even more or maybe even convince some to commit for next year.

[MaskedRacer]

Originally Posted by Skemer

I think the ACO´s plan to spec LMP2 and as a result increasing the interest for LMP1(L) is starting to come together. As seen by the recent rise in interest concerning multiple parties. Also the result in LMP1 in this years Le Mans 24h can boost that interest even more or maybe even convince some to commit for next year.

If Porsche and Toyota withdrawal from LMP1 (which I hope happens), imagine the can of worms that will open up for the demand for LMP1 privateer cars.

[Damian Baldi]

Benoit Morand announces an entry for late 2018 with his own engine

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/le-...is-dactualite/

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Damian Baldi

Benoit Morand announces an entry for late 2018 with his own engine

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/le-...is-dactualite/

Wow, hope to see this project make it to the grid. Engine diversity is one of my favorite parts of this formula.

[deggis]

edit: moved to the Ginetta LMP1 thread...

[Akrapovic]

I'm skeptical. If this all comes off, we'll have gone from nothing, to an explosion of P1s in a year. Ginetta alone appear to be hoping to field more cars themselves than the current entire P1 class, including factory cars.