Liam Doran @ Greinbach

[WJM]

Liam Doran is definately the most controversial driver of the ERC. What do you think of his driving in the A-final at Greinbach?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnW954uHClA&
At around 0:30 the moment with De Keersmaecker and Hvaal and at around 2:35 with Hedström.

[tbtstt]

I watched that video a couple of days ago and thought that Liam looked quite aggressive in it, but I was waiting for more video of the A Final to emerge before I commited to an opinion.

I'm not certain if the moment shown at 0:35 was entirely his fault. It looks like Hvaal pushed him wide (seems to be contact at 0:23?). He then goes onto the grass, comes back onto track and cuts across on MDK (0:29), the impact of which pushes him onto Hvaal again (0:31, is repeated at 0:35 from a different angle).

2:35 didn't look like an especially hard touch? (It did look like there was definately contact though). Sure there was a comment on Facebook implying that Hedström already had a broken driveshaft before the contact?

Would like to see if anymore angles of the racing come out before I point the finger.

[rx-guru]

Hedström claimed a broken driveshaft already in the second lap and another one after been hit by Doran.

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by rx-guru

Hedström claimed a broken driveshaft already in the second lap and another one after been hit by Doran.

Ah, didn't see that he had two broken driveshafts: cheers for the info Guru!

Doran was definately pushing Hedström, but does that look like an overly-aggressive move to you guys?

[BertMk2]

I haven't seen it yet but was it just Doran making contact with people or were the others at it too? Maybe with Liam we're just looking for it a bit more and aren't noticing what the others are doing?

[AndyS]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

I haven't seen it yet but was it just Doran making contact with people or were the others at it too? Maybe with Liam we're just looking for it a bit more and aren't noticing what the others are doing?

Other than the attached video I likewise haven't seen it properly yet, but due to his past misdemeanours I think your observation is spot on. Don't get me wrong I think some of his past antics have been disgraceful but as a result people always tend to assume the worst now. I'll draw conclusions on this latest incident once I've seen more of it.

[leonidas]

It would be interesting to hear the views of any judges of fact from circuit racing on this.

Rallycross is supposed to be non-contact - you are supposed to avoid unecessary contact. In the first incident Doran goes off the track and then comes back on showing no consideration for other drivers, cutting across the track to take out an innocent victim. In the second he drives into the inside of another car on the loose with the intention of using force to push it wide or spin it out. Those of us who follow stock car racing know these tactics all too well! In both cases contact was completely avoidable.

I don't actually blame Doran - he is young and is trying (too hard) to win. I blame organisers for gradually becoming more tolerant of unacceptable driving standards. These cars are just too fast to be used as weapons.

[Benny1664]

Haha, can't believe that youre surprised by Dorans dirty driving?! Has he ever actually won (or even been in) a race without punting people off and overdriving?

[rallyxxx]

dorans driving is disgusting and gives the sport a bad name, event back in the saxo days he was a danger to other drivers not to mention when pat let him use the rs200 as a weapon.

The problem is this is what he wants us all talking about him, yes its giving him exposure now but this kind of behaviour impresses no one but 15 year old boys, adults like ourselves just think he's a danger and a ****ING KNOB.

the ERC needs to clamp down on this behaviour before it is excepted and is started to be used by other drivers because they know they can get away with it.

I wish i had a rich daddy to buy me everything id be on that grid a punt the **** of in the first corner, and wait for his strop and beat him senseless teach him a lesson

[tbtstt]

Bert summarises what I was trying to say in my earlier post...

Originally Posted by BertMk2

I haven't seen it yet but was it just Doran making contact with people or were the others at it too? Maybe with Liam we're just looking for it a bit more and aren't noticing what the others are doing?

...after the Lydden incident(s) we are obviously looking at him harder than the other drivers. I'd like to see the full race as many angles as possible (or hear from a few of the spectators) to get a full view on the race.

(Though, as leonidas says, even if Doran was making as much contact as everyone else, it doesn't make it right)

[chunder]

Not sure he was staggeringly out of order with his driving, maybe moving over far too early on Jeanny in a heat and also trying to dot he same freom the outside in the final, the incident with Hedstrom was tricky coz he was inside the lad if not in front.

Driving was just as bad in 1600 class.

And for me I thought Procter drove far worse with regard to avoidable contact and has also done for some time.

[GOLDFINGER]

He is the current leader of the championship

[The Dozer]

My god I just seen Liam making a pass and winning a heat without ramming or punting anybody made a clean pass and all

[GOLDFINGER]

Saw his car being towed on the m25 saturday middle lane passing other vehicles without any contact

[Barrie]

Liam Doran in hospital after heavy contact in A Final shocker.

[Barrie]

Liam mentioned that he was pushed into a concrete wall by I think Hvall while trying to get through the field after a poor start, taken to hospital as a precaution, seen pictures of the car not good. Least he's ok.

[tbtstt]

First video from the "A" Final in Hungary is up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts3r3UU8MIM

Looks like quite a few near misses! The Doran incident is interesting though, looking at the clip at 3:37 Doran is clearly at the back of the group, he then appears to go flying past both Jeanney and Hvall, only to impact the wall a few seconds later. Were Jeanney and Hvall both tangled up? Would like to see an outside view of those two corners to see what was happening.

Ironically I see Liam is now moaning on Facebook about being taken out...

[chunder]

I unsubscribed!

But doesnt amaze me much, boy who cried wolf I am afraid

[leonidas]

After the last few rounds I wonder how many ERC regulars thought "the next time that a$$hole comes near me I'm going to put him in the wall..."

Goes back to what we were saying earlier - if you allow poor driving standards problems will escalate out of control. Eventually it gets dangerous. Drive like this at somewhere like Mallory where the barriers and bridge parapets are right next to the gravel chicane and you have the recipe for a very serious incident.

[GOLDFINGER]

Cant wait for Valkenswaard !

[Cryos]

Originally Posted by tbtstt

First video from the "A" Final in Hungary is up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts3r3UU8MIM

Looks like quite a few near misses! The Doran incident is interesting though, looking at the clip at 3:37 Doran is clearly at the back of the group, he then appears to go flying past both Jeanney and Hvall, only to impact the wall a few seconds later. Were Jeanney and Hvall both tangled up? Would like to see an outside view of those two corners to see what was happening.

Ironically I see Liam is now moaning on Facebook about being taken out...

What seems to of happened is doran has gone down the inside, gone wide in the corner and come back across hvall or jeanney... They both took a wider line into the corner and were on dorans inside (and on the racing line) when he came across..

Its the standard racing incident, someone forgot to look left.

[rs 200]

Thats the best that liams ds3 has looked all year ,most rounds it been a write off ,its on the cards each round ,would like to see full video but we all have this feeling he has got a big part in it .

[Benny1664]

I cannot believe him moaning on facebook about it. Doesnt like it when the shoes on the other foot does he!

[AndyS]

Originally Posted by leonidas

After the last few rounds I wonder how many ERC regulars thought "the next time that a$$hole comes near me I'm going to put him in the wall..."

Very true. What goes around comes around.

[Cryos]

http://hajoka.hu/index.php?view=cate...llery&Itemid=9


Ill just leave this here...