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Old 13 Aug 2017, 10:17 (Ref:3759118)   #76
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Hart Escort Special Saloon

The Hart Escort of Geoff Wood shows the two colours that were always known on the car. The light blue is the original colour that Geoff Wood was known to have, which I prefer to the dark blue, and I like the half doors that are all original and made to compensate for the low-line of the chassis when fabricated.
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Old 13 Aug 2017, 11:50 (Ref:3759131)   #77
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I have looked through my 1976 results and can find nothing for Geoff Wood.

Phil Winter raced his Mini throughout the year.

Found your name (Peter Wray, Ford Escort) mentioned several times.
Generally fairly well down the field unfortunately. Although we had a good engine (1970cc FVC) by this time our car was quite heavy being all steel shell (with fibreglass doors, bonnet and bootlid) and by now racing against spaceframe cars like Geoff's and John Robinson's or plastic Skoda bodied Chevron or Lola sports racers. After one trip on the weigh bridge at a race meeting we weighed 795 kg. I will be interested to see what Geoff's Escort weighs when it is rebuilt.
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Old 13 Aug 2017, 12:01 (Ref:3759134)   #78
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Found some more history on the Escort when Andrew Grover raced her at Castle Combe.I have the programs for all of 79.Heres a picture of Andrew coming round Quarry at the May Bank Holiday meeting. And also a copy of the e-mail Pete Stowe sent me(Historian and Archives @Castle Combe).

Hi Peter

As discussed, I’ve attached the information I have on Andrew racing the Escort at Combe in 1979.
He was entered in the Special Saloon championship races at each of the five meetings that year, winning the final race on 27 August outright, and becoming Class B (1300 to 2500cc) Champion.
1979 was the only time he was entered in the Escort at Combe. His only other race entry at Combe was on 30 August 1976 in a 1293cc Mini in Special saloons.
Geoff Wood does not appear to have entered any races at Combe.

1979 entries
Castle Combe Special Saloons
Andrew Grover, Ford Escort, 1975cc

16-Apr-79, Special Saloon cars, #9, 2nd in class
7-May-79, Special Saloon cars over 1000cc, #14, 1st in class
28-May-79, Special Saloon cars, #7, DNS or retired
7-Jul-79, Special Saloon cars over 1000cc, #15, DNS or retired
27-Aug-79, Special Saloon cars over 1000cc, #8, 1st overall, 1st in class

1979 Special Saloon Championship Class B – 1st


We don’t have any photos of the Escort in the Circuit Archive.
The photo by John Gaisford that appeared in the 7th July programme was from the 7th May meeting.

Hope that helps.

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Just a query. The entry you put in the email to Pete, you stated that he entered a race August 30th 1976 at Castle Combe. Was this Andrew Grover in a 1300 Mini for one race and could Phil Winter have raced that year in a 1300 Mini or Escort.

Was this 1300 a BDA Mini, as it was indicated the Hart Escort had a 1300 BDA fitted for one race and raced by Phil Winter in 1976 ?? its always possible cars were being borrowed or bought and sold between drivers and from what I have read here the 1840 Hart Escort got sold to Andrew Grover late 1977, early 1978.

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Old 14 Aug 2017, 08:52 (Ref:3759276)   #79
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This is bringing up History of the Escort as i find it as i thought you would all like to know and the cars on the Grid of that era
It looks as though all the removable body is fibreglass over the full space-frame and the front screen surround is an original Escort metal panel surround, cut and shaped. Does this detach from the chassis or is it welded to the chassis and cage.

Is the front screen plastic or glass Pete.
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Old 14 Aug 2017, 09:30 (Ref:3759279)   #80
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It looks as though all the removable body is fibreglass over the full space-frame and the front screen surround is an original Escort metal panel surround, cut and shaped. Does this detach from the chassis or is it welded to the chassis and cage.

Is the front screen plastic or glass Pete.
Hopefully I'm not putting my foot in it, but I do believe that it is a requirement of the MSA that all circuit racing saloons are fitted with laminated glass front screens.

All other windows can be Perspex or laminated glass at the discretion of the rule makers of particular series.
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Hopefully I'm not putting my foot in it, but I do believe that it is a requirement of the MSA that all circuit racing saloons are fitted with laminated glass front screens.

All other windows can be Perspex or laminated glass at the discretion of the rule makers of particular series.
BB 5.20.8 seems to permit plastic screens of min 4mm thickness - unless another reg overrides it?
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BB 5.20.8 seems to permit plastic screens of min 4mm thickness - unless another reg overrides it?
Apologies, you are correct. Maybe the rules have changed over the last 50 years.

However, unless the properties of plastic/Perspex has changed in the intervening years, trying to keep them in good condition would be a nightmare especially in the rain because they scratch so easily unlike glass.
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Old 14 Aug 2017, 12:37 (Ref:3759313)   #83
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Apologies, you are correct. Maybe the rules have changed over the last 50 years.

However, unless the properties of plastic/Perspex has changed in the intervening years, trying to keep them in good condition would be a nightmare especially in the rain because they scratch so easily unlike glass.
It's appendix K and the FIA that have an issue with 'other than laminated glass' screens. There is a dispensation / grey area for cars when a glass screen is not able to be purchased for the model. I know two cars running 'plastic' in FIA races, and they still get queried by Scrutineers.

The modern stuff they use for plastic screens nowadays is far superior to that of a few years ago, thanks to coating techniques. Even then, resist using wipers!

The Escort being discussed looks like it has a normal shape and size opening, in which case- if the car is going to be raced- a heated screen would be my choice!
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It looks as though all the removable body is fibreglass over the full space-frame and the front screen surround is an original Escort metal panel surround, cut and shaped. Does this detach from the chassis or is it welded to the chassis and cage.

Is the front screen plastic or glass Pete.
The front screen is 5.5mm Perspex and the screen surround incl scuttle panel is all steel Mk1 Escort with the front part of roof bonded to it.
Also this surround in question is completely detachable from the chassis
I will post up some pics to show this.
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Old 14 Aug 2017, 13:00 (Ref:3759319)   #85
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Peter, thanks yes I recall meeting you at Cadwell some years ago. I said 'Morning Gents' to someone near your car, the chap (may have been son Dan I guess), looked at me non-plussed! Your Escort was a regular on the Northern scene mid-70s I recall, Agent Plant Hire rings bells? You didn't get to Mallory very often I remember, and I went nowhere else til late '77, and then only to Donny. Great days though!
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Yes, we had Agent Plant Hire sponsorship for 1977 only - orange and gray paintwork. We got 1,000 for the year which included repainting in their colours from the white, red and blue previous colour scheme. We contracted to do 6 specific meetings - 4 at Brands and 2 at Silverstone where they took guests and a mobile hospitality unit, but ended up doing 18 race meetings including 3 at Mallory. Not much change out of the 1,000.

Sorry to have gone off topic.
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It looks as though all the removable body is fibreglass over the full space-frame and the front screen surround is an original Escort metal panel surround, cut and shaped. Does this detach from the chassis or is it welded to the chassis and cage.

Is the front screen plastic or glass Pete.
5.5mm plastic with an all steel detachable Mk1 Escort surround and scuttle panel,with several inches of the roof bonded on to it. It's completely detachable from the chassis so they could get to the BDA lump etc without taking the shell off.Perfect!👍Forgot to say the screen is held in by Zeus fasteners also for quick removel!
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Hart space framed Escort, horny or what.

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Here are pics ref the detachable screen surround.
Pete of Spec-R, I'm sorry mate but I am in love with your car and there's no room for the wife.

This Escort will be awesome and mean as Hell when refurbished, I forgot just how well it was made.
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Pete of Spec-R, I'm sorry mate but I am in love with your car and there's no room for the wife.

This Escort will be awesome and mean as Hell when refurbished, I forgot just how well it was made.
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