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Old 6 Mar 2020, 21:37 (Ref:3962035)   #3751
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Same page here. I can't think of any reason to have done this in the first place.

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Old 6 Mar 2020, 23:28 (Ref:3962043)   #3752
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I agree with JV that your helmet is your dignity and you should keep it that way. One off helmets I don’t mind, but I long for the days when drivers were recognisable by what helmet they had year after year
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Old 7 Mar 2020, 06:54 (Ref:3962081)   #3753
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Not sure about dignity!

Bit like team footy kit, every change in design brings a new marketing opportunity, in my book. Presume the driver hold the rights to their individual designs?

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Old 7 Mar 2020, 10:11 (Ref:3962095)   #3754
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Did I put dignity? Must have pressed the wrong button! I meant identity!
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Old 7 Mar 2020, 12:37 (Ref:3962116)   #3755
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I would like people to keep the same, and simple design. However having a rule that restricts them is terrible. It was part of Vettel’s personality that he wanted to change each race. God forbid people are different!

We moan that drivers are boring and then one little thing they’d like to different we want to force them to do what we think they should.

Hurrah for allowing this again. A needless rule.
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Old 7 Mar 2020, 15:53 (Ref:3962148)   #3756
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I agree with JV that your helmet is your dignity and you should keep it that way. One off helmets I don’t mind, but I long for the days when drivers were recognisable by what helmet they had year after year
if you are talking about the JV whose name should never be mentioned, Nico Roseberg told a story a while back (post retirement anyways) about the mind games drivers play.

one was about how Jacques used to wear his helmet all the time because with his helmet on he didnt have to talk to anybody.
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Old 7 Mar 2020, 18:22 (Ref:3962168)   #3757
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Yeah, that was usually though just before the race when his concentration was on the job
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Yeah they should be able to do it if they want to but why?! I think it's a bit daft drivers changing their helmets every 2 seconds!

I mean, it's not like they have enough things to concentrate on before and during a race weekend?

Helmets were always part of a drivers profile and recognition.

IMHO the designs have got too complicated, too much gold, silver and reflective stuff and not enough differentiation in colours.

Even Lewis's lid used to stand out as it was a nod to Senna's. Now from a distance you wouldn't be able to tell his apart from Bottas's helmet.

At least Ricciardo made his stand out last year
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They could at least have the halos on each car in a team a different colour. That way it would be easier to identify
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They could at least have the halos on each car in a team a different colour. That way it would be easier to identify
That's not a bad idea. In this photo, both driver's helmets can just about be seen, otherwise the only way to tell Bottas's car from Hamilton's, is the bright yellow camera on top of the airbox. If the Halo were also bright yellow, that would make identification a lot easier.

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Do the drivers' helmets have to differentiate?

The cars already have driver numbers and differing T-bars - is any further differentiation required?
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Do the drivers' helmets have to differentiate?

The cars already have driver numbers and differing T-bars - is any further differentiation required?
The official way for us orange lot (at least here for the British GP) to refer to cars in F1 is: Team+T-Bar colour, so "Mercedes Black" or "Ferrari Yellow" etc.

Numbers may help but at 150mph+ in some corners alone they can be really, really hard to see.
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Do the drivers' helmets have to differentiate?

The cars already have driver numbers and differing T-bars - is any further differentiation required?
Isn't that one of the reasons why drivers have different designs, to differentiate from the other drivers on the grid and also to bring in a personal element? Depending on the angle, the number isn't always visible and as a spectator, one isn't always going to be looking at, or looking out for the T-bar.
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Do the drivers' helmets have to differentiate?

The cars already have driver numbers and differing T-bars - is any further differentiation required?
personally i dont think so.

and beyond the T-bar one has the on screen graphics indicating the running order and for close ups they typically have the drivers name graphic on the screen. and then there are the commentators who for the most part say the right name.

for sure, before the days of HD/UHD broadcasts and on screen graphic programs a uniform helmet colour/pattern was more important but that was a long long time ago.
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I do miss the days of numbers being bigger, also remember them being on the rear wing endplates as well. I do remember the Honda Earth cars in 07 having big numbers, but they were a one off
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I do miss the days of numbers being bigger, also remember them being on the rear wing endplates as well. I do remember the Honda Earth cars in 07 having big numbers, but they were a one off
That's primarily because they had no sponsorship though, so they could afford to burn valuable bodywork real estate on large, pointless (to the bean counters) numbers.
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That's primarily because they had no sponsorship though, so they could afford to burn valuable bodywork real estate on large, pointless (to the bean counters) numbers.


You’ve hit on the nail on the head there. Although even when sponsorship first came in, they didn’t really take up too much and with a team like Ferrari, who didn’t want/need a big sponsor it was easier to have a big number. Numbers I’d say started to get tiny in the late 80s I’d say. That’s where colour coding comes in. Now anyone else seen the early 80s Renaults with their different coloured stripe on the noses?
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Not exactly good news for the fans who were looking forward to getting closer racing in 2021
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Sure we did.

Revision course for the forgetful from last year.

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Sure we did.

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With cars generating a ridiculous amount of downforce, racing will be really close.
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With cars generating a ridiculous amount of downforce, racing will be really close.
But will it change the pecking order? One thing that will happen is that the lesser teams will still not stand a chance of being on the podium unless chance happenings allow it. The podium may get a little less predictable in places but we will have to wait and see about that also. Why anyone would even imagine that Ferrari, RB & Mercedes are not going to be on the podium and might fall back through the field beats me. Just maybe Ferrari might fall away but it is a fairly unlikely scenario.

In light of the current hiatus F1 is experiencing you can bet money that the R&D side of F1 that is needed for the new regs is going to experience big losses of personnel and the lesser teams will suffer the most in this regard which will affect the design and performance of the cars yet to be designed & built.
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Do the drivers' helmets have to differentiate?
I look at the helmets (and the numbers -- Red Bull 23 & 33 is a bit tricky mind you).

I wouldn't have a clue who has the yellow camera in a given team.
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