Parker ENZED NZV8 Championship

[911]

Agree Jaso...hope we don't have to listen to that annoying woman on that stupid ad anymore.

[911]

Originally Posted by kmsport

does the illegal testing issue have anything to do with Oscar??
I have no idea...just curious

It does seem to be a strange coincidence doesn't it km.
You would think some people would learn from their past mistakes.
Obviously not....

[Tracie]

I do not understand about the Tracer court case?

Thought that both Tracer and Scott now had their cases heard right up to MSNZ Court of Appeal so would have through that was the end of this sorry situation

what it does show is that there are rules, they are policed, people have the ability and process to question any policing, this occurred and now we have a result for the championship

I agree that it could be that there are some holes in the regulations but these are only found by policing and testing them through a judicial process - it might be a bit unpleasant for those involved but from the situations we will be able to develop more robust rules and understandings

Actually felt that the whole situation - headgate and testing - was handled pretty well apart from the attempts by a couple of people to have the issue heard in the media rather than by those charged with making the decisions and felt that the media really do have something to learn regarding our processes

[sov12]

Originally Posted by Tracie

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Actually felt that the whole situation - headgate and testing - was handled pretty well apart from the attempts by a couple of people to have the issue heard in the media rather than by those charged with making the decisions and felt that the media really do have something to learn regarding our processes

And who do you think was feeding the media Tracie ?
ps. MSNZ does have its judical system, flawed or not. Fortunately
in NZ there are other options available for the right of recourse
beyond the MSNZ system.

[Tracie]

I suspect that some of the teams at the centre of the issues were feeding the media their version of events and expected outcomes

Am aware that there are judicial procedures beyond MSNZ but frankly would have expected that the sporting judicial processes were robust enough to sort out our sport

Of course there is always the issue of an engine builder whose products are found to have been outside the rules -- there could certainly be an opportunity there for his customers to recover some losses

[V8's rule]

[QUOTE=Tracie]I suspect that some of the teams at the centre of the issues were feeding the media their version of events and expected outcomes

Am aware that there are judicial procedures beyond MSNZ but frankly would have expected that the sporting judicial processes were robust enough to sort out our sport[QUOTE=Tracie]

Tracie, I think you should reserve your judgement on that last statement....That is untill you have read the unprecedented Appeals Courts judgement, on the Kayne Scott debarcle, when it is released sometime next week..... You might just find that the MSNZ executve have little to be proud about.

As for Tracer's civil court options they could also extend all the way to Mr Fogg's doorstep if they so decide...

[Tracie]

fail to see what the Executive have to do with the Kayne Scott situation

Event Director gave permission for the coaching session, a complaint was lodged by an other team, Stewards heard the case and decided that competitor and Event Director were wrong and imposed the penalty provided for in the regulations. This was appealed on a number of grounds I would guess - most important one that they were obeying an official (event director). The appeal was uphelp

just where was the Executive involved in this?

am not sticking up for them just interested in where/how they were involved

[V8's rule]

As the saying goes "It will all come out in the wash" and when it does, then you and I can debate the issue further in the interest of this forum.

[911]

Originally Posted by Tracie

Am aware that there are judicial procedures beyond MSNZ but frankly would have expected that the sporting judicial processes were robust enough to sort out our sport

I have eluded to this before Tracie, what planet are you from???
One gets the feeling this is FAR from over.

[V8's rule]

Tut Tut 911, dont attack the poster....Attack the post.....You know the rules, we dont want want this thread shut down again just when its starting to get interesting, do we old chap.

[Tracie]

911

the concern on my little planet is that I would hate to think that a team who has exhausted the normal sports judicial processes - and not got the answer they wanted - would then go to civil courts

I have a very firm belief that you chose to play in this pool (motorsport) then accept and use the pool rules and processes

McIntyre/Pedersen have had their day at the Appeal Court and they have confirmed the initial decisions of both Event Director and Stewards - sometimes think that they would be better to just get on with it - but sure hope that they had a good contract with engine supplier because he was the one who broke the rules - however as the Court rules in the case of the Scott clutch - it is a drivers championship and so the driver is responsible for all aspects of the entry -- eg take the glory but also take the penalties

[911]

Originally Posted by V8's rule

Tut Tut 911, dont attack the poster....Attack the post.....You know the rules, we dont want want this thread shut down again just when its starting to get interesting, do we old chap.

Point taken V8.
I was hoping the smilely face after my comment would indicate that I wasn't trying to attack the poster, or the post for that matter, but bring some light hearted humour to the thread.
I'm with you though V8....In the days to come, all will come out in the wash.
Hope you're not offened Tracie.

[Tracie]

Not me

I do enjoy a good debate and am looking forward to "all" that will come out

I am very interested in the processes that have been followed in all the cases and have a few views of my own - eg why did the Stewards hear Scott issue when there had not been a protest - it should have been heard by the Event Director department - I understand that Robbo had already arranged for Shayne Harris to hear the case as he was a major part of Kaynes defence

[sov12]

[QUOTE=Tracie]Not me

I do enjoy a good debate and am looking forward to "all" that will come out

I am very interested in the processes that have been followed in all the cases and have a few views of my own

I thought it was interesting that Adam Brook has lost points,fined etc
& he has not even had a hearing. Strange how his heads were looked
at ( even photographed) preseason & then 2 1/2 meetings later they
are illegal. Just doesnt seem right to me.
Either :
1. they knew they were wrong & decided not to do anything
2. they knew they were wrong & decided to act later
3. they passed them & after headgate they changed tact.
Either option does not give one a lot of faith in the system.

[Just Do It!]

His outing in the TKR crapper at season's end was mediocre compared to the previous pilot. Jason could at least get inside the Top 10 in a car that was largely untouched between rounds with a fistful of different preparers across the season.

"At TKR, loyalty shall be rewarded". Methinks not. Subjective really, given the lack of preparation's bearing on the championship outcome, whilst in other cases, it may have been "over preparation" that lead to results ultimately

[sov12]

Originally Posted by Just Do It!

His outing in the TKR crapper at season's end was mediocre compared to the previous pilot. Jason could at least get inside the Top 10 in a car that was largely untouched between rounds with a fistful of different preparers across the season.

"At TKR, loyalty shall be rewarded". Methinks not. Subjective really, given the lack of preparation's bearing on the championship outcome, whilst in other cases, it may have been "over preparation" that lead to results ultimately

Hear what your're saying but you missed the point JDI.
You cant be checked & legal one minute & without altering anything
be illegal the next. If a TO techs & gives the nod its unacceptable
to be given a bashing by the same TOs after proceeding on their
advice or approval.
Wonder if thats the same as getting incorrect advice from an Event Director
an acting on it in good faith !!!!!

[V8's rule]

Originally Posted by Tracie

Not me

I do enjoy a good debate and am looking forward to "all" that will come out

I am very interested in the processes that have been followed in all the cases and have a few views of my own - eg why did the Stewards hear Scott issue when there had not been a protest - it should have been heard by the Event Director department - I understand that Robbo had already arranged for Shayne Harris to hear the case as he was a major part of Kaynes defence

"GOOD THINKING 99"...So who do you think might have made such a last minute decision to switch from a notified, Assistant Event Directors hearing...To a Stewards hearing, without a protest having been lodged, and much much more.......As I intimated before....it aint pretty.

[MRKEENASMUSTARD]

well well interesting as I said. Well done Kane, a deserved win. Poor old Foggy had an extra bad day on Friday both with loosing his points & having a wee issue at a hot laps day driving his team mates car................which is now in a very very sad state of repair. I wonder if Caltex will quit their ads to direct funding into fixing Pedersons wreck !

[HQRacer]

Which issue was that? details please....

[MRKEENASMUSTARD]

top of hill issue, lots of damage, track was a little wet

[HQRacer]

oh...nasty.....

[Sausage]

V8 Championship decided at last
8/05/2006 8:16:02 - Newstalk ZB
The New Zealand V8 Championship has found its way back to Holden's Kayne Scott.
Scott has wrestled the title off Ford's Angus Fogg after winning his case in the Motorsport Court of Appeal.
Fogg was the tentative title winner two weeks ago when Scott was docked 150 points for test driving his teammate's car at Pukekohe.
He had been given permission to do so.
Angus Fogg was philosophical over losing the title, pointing out that Scott was going against the rules, but the governors of motorsport have turned that around.
He says he does not really feel empty because he only ever had "one hand on the trophy" anyway.

This report on radio this morning would suggest to me that Fogg does feel 'empty'.
Perhaps his boss Lyall Williamson should never have lodged the complaint with MSNZ!!

[fat boy]

Originally Posted by Sausage

V8 Championship decided at last
8/05/2006 8:16:02 - Newstalk ZB
The New Zealand V8 Championship has found its way back to Holden's Kayne Scott.
Scott has wrestled the title off Ford's Angus Fogg after winning his case in the Motorsport Court of Appeal.
Fogg was the tentative title winner two weeks ago when Scott was docked 150 points for test driving his teammate's car at Pukekohe.
He had been given permission to do so.
Angus Fogg was philosophical over losing the title, pointing out that Scott was going against the rules, but the governors of motorsport have turned that around.
He says he does not really feel empty because he only ever had "one hand on the trophy" anyway.

This report on radio this morning would suggest to me that Fogg does feel 'empty'.
Perhaps his boss Lyall Williamson should never have lodged the complaint with MSNZ!!

Was thinking about launching a fundraising appeal to help Caltex pay for all the adds they have been running and now to repair Pauls car, Was wondering if anyone in here was interested in donating some funds towards the cause.

[sov12]

Originally Posted by fat boy

Was wondering if anyone in here was interested in donating some funds towards the cause.

Fat boy,
Thanks for the invitation. In one word NO
Whats that saying " you reap what you sow etc"

[MRKEENASMUSTARD]

We had a whip around this morning & have collected $8.53 (fortunate in that we have large staff numbers here) which we will send in. Furthermore does anyone agree with my recent posting attempting to raise debate on the current engine sealing method i/e the wire seal thingy is 30 years old & needs to be replaced with more modern concepts such as bar codeing or data dot type methods ???