Jordan , McLaren and Minardi ?

marcus · 31 Jan 2004, 00:54 (Ref:857063)

having a look at the F1live website on the side they have a list of when new cars are or were to be launched , with just one more confirmed date to go (BAR Tomorrow) I was wondering if anyone knew when we will see the new Jordan , McLaren and Minardi's.
on that page they have question marks next to the launch dates , which I can understand from the minnows (Jordan and Minardi) due to unconfirmed drivers and dollars I guess but McLaren ??

they are usually big on pomp and ceremony so im surprised they havent announced a date as yet

so does anyone have any idea when these 3 teams will release their cars to the world ?

or will we just have to wait until melbourne to see what they have got ?

Mackmot · 31 Jan 2004, 01:04 (Ref:857071)

Minardi are using the same car again

Jordi · 31 Jan 2004, 01:05 (Ref:857073)

Are they? What about the A23s they bought?

Heidfeld's been signed by Jordan and he said the EJ14 is due to be out next week, but no idea about a presentation.

**Adam43** · 31 Jan 2004, 01:06 (Ref:857075)

The 'new' McLaren has been around for ages. AFAIK they will not be having a launch.

The never raced 18 has been developed into the 19 and will make its race debut in Melbourne. However it has been circulating since late last year.

McLaren laucnhes 'peaked' with the Spice girls in 1997 (I think), but have been getting more and more lower key since. So much so that I don't think there is one this year!

Minardi, I don't have a clue.

Jordan, there is a launch, I think it is sometime in the first week of February (?).

**Adam43** · 31 Jan 2004, 01:07 (Ref:857076)

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Originally posted by Jordi
Are they? What about the A23s they bought?

They can't use them due to the Concorde agreement. However they are taking certain aspects of them and 'developing' them. Which is, I think, the most sensible option.

Jordi · 31 Jan 2004, 01:15 (Ref:857081)

That's what I expected. You don't buy cars that HHF scored points with just to have them...

marcus · 31 Jan 2004, 01:17 (Ref:857083)

Minardi are using the same cars again ?????

what are they completely mad ?

Korr · 31 Jan 2004, 05:16 (Ref:857211)

Quote:

what are they completely mad ?

...no. They are completely poor.

**GTRMagic** · 31 Jan 2004, 06:02 (Ref:857218)

Minardi will launch a new car, and it will be based on the A23, and some of the PS03 to create the PS04.. or is it PS05?

It wont be much chop against the Jordan and Jag with what has to be said is an old shytter of an engine now. Here's hoping Jordan goes down the Merc route in 2005, so Minardi can have the ex-Jag/Jordan powerplant!

grumpy1 · 31 Jan 2004, 11:56 (Ref:857480)

I thought P.Stoddart had don e an engine deal with Cosworth for this years engine and thats why the delay in the launch.I know i read it somewhere but I can't remember in what.As for Mclaren the 18 was never used and turned into the 19.One wonders if the 19 will be shelved and turned into the 20.

The Grumpy1

**BertMk2** · 31 Jan 2004, 13:03 (Ref:857538)

If Minardi do have to use last years engine they're stuffed. That engine had trouble lasting a race so it's got no chance of lasting a whole weekend.

Sodemo · 31 Jan 2004, 13:09 (Ref:857545)

Minardi were at their best in 2001 when they were reguarly scrapping with BAR, and Jaguar.

NiceGuyEddie · 31 Jan 2004, 14:11 (Ref:857590)

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Originally posted by The Monster
Minardi were at their best in 2001 when they were reguarly scrapping with BAR, and Jaguar.

And were making use of Alonso's services...

Glen · 31 Jan 2004, 15:10 (Ref:857644)

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Originally posted by BertMk2
If Minardi do have to use last years engine they're stuffed. That engine had trouble lasting a race so it's got no chance of lasting a whole weekend.

Presumably they will just go with the old strategy of using a fresh engine for the race - the penalty for so doing would put them to the back of the grid... where they usually reside anyway.

Kicking-back · 31 Jan 2004, 15:16 (Ref:857652)

I think the engine has been adapted for this year. I don't expect they'd use a fresh one at every race - that would not really be going with the spirit of the new rules.

neilap · 31 Jan 2004, 15:21 (Ref:857658)

I beg to differ with Minardi scrapping with BAR and Jag in 01. JV was out qualified once where other factors were involved. Not exactly scrapping.

Its a good idea if they do use the same car as long as there are motor improvements. They dont expect to win any races. In fact points are a gift for them. It is cheaper to try to develop the same car. They would hardly test the new one anywy so how would they even optimise it?

If Mac does not have anything then it would be a little disappointing. After all its good for team spirit.

enemy-ace · 1 Feb 2004, 12:59 (Ref:858842)

I don't think Mclaren had a launch last year either. I don't think they have a problem with team spirit though.
If they do though I think winning the championship would help lift spirits.

Joe Machado · 1 Feb 2004, 13:57 (Ref:858907)

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Originally posted by Korr
...no. They are completely poor.

On the subject of poverty we know that the new engine rules require them to last the entire weekend. Having said that we also know Jaguar and Jordan will have the same engines as it is impossible to use last year's to current rules. Question: What does Minardi get? They are customers as Jordan, therefore, are they getting 2004 spec engines? I am yet to see any news on that yet.

Joe Machado · 1 Feb 2004, 13:59 (Ref:858910)

McLaren will do one of those "on track" happenigs, very low profile. Jordan is supposed to launch their new car this coming Wednesday at Silverstone, also another low profile launch.

**Adam43** · 1 Feb 2004, 14:32 (Ref:858937)

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Originally posted by The Monster
Minardi were at their best in 2001 when they were reguarly scrapping with BAR, and Jaguar.

A bit pointless saying this, but I will anyway.

I think Minardi's best period came earlier in its career as a team. It started in F1 in 1985 and a few years later they were a decent mid-field team. I'd say the best period was somethng like '89 to '93.

In 1989 Martini actually led the Portugese GP for them. 1991 brought two fourth places (the highest finishing place for Minardi, another came in 1993) and 7th in the constructors championhip (and there was more than 10 teams then!).

Just a fairly interesting aside. I suppose I could find a stats site for this, hmmmm, what about this one: http://www.kes.hants.sch.uk/cgi-bin/...Minardi&type=c

nippy · 2 Feb 2004, 07:56 (Ref:859779)

In 01 Mclaren and jordan were the last two teams to launch the new car other than prost who launched theirs half an hour before the pitlane opend in melbourne. So it is no suprise to me that Mcl and Jordan have not yet done so.

BTW:- Is the new B.A.R. black

ljakse · 2 Feb 2004, 08:29 (Ref:859803)

Actually, a month or two back (I'm a bit lost in time, so I don't know for sure) McLaren had an official launch at Valencia.

racingdad · 2 Feb 2004, 08:59 (Ref:859832)

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Originally posted by AdamAshmore
They can't use them due to the Concorde agreement. However they are taking certain aspects of them and 'developing' them. Which is, I think, the most sensible option.

Not strictly true - the Agreement centres around the ownership of the IPR (Intellectual Property Rights) and it is my understanding that Stoddard acquired the IPR with the rest, so they could have run them. I think that Minardi will probably incorporate anything they found that was significantly superior - including aerodynamic keys (as the Arrows were very slippery).

WRT engines - it has been confirmed that due to the new engine rules Ford customers will get the same engine as Jaguar, although you could expect them to be a step behind on any developments.

**GTRMagic** · 2 Feb 2004, 09:07 (Ref:859837)

Stoddart will retain the 2003 engines, with some updates for reliability.... poor man...

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