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'Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines.' - Enzo Ferrari |
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Note: For quite some time now, F1 cars have been driven to the end of a race using the least amount of fuel possible for the fastest time possible. Nothing new there (Renault currently have a particularly fuel efficient engine, even if it's not the most powerful). This ensures that engineers work on engine efficiency rather than outright power. |
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26 Feb 2011, 16:27 (Ref:2837206) | #153 | ||
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In 2009 Formula 1's KERS was already described as a gimmick, inferior and far from 'green' road-relevant. If the current hybrid cars are already fitted with AWKERS, the 2013 systems are likely to be considered as inferior and far from green and road-relevant as well.
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26 Feb 2011, 16:45 (Ref:2837211) | #154 | |||
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Am I the only person on here who think's that that acronym is really a mis-spelled word that's missing the letter 'N'? |
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26 Feb 2011, 16:52 (Ref:2837213) | #155 | |
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True, since only ******s drive cars like that.
Last edited by ASCII Man; 26 Feb 2011 at 16:52. Reason: Bah, can't even say ******s, whats the world coming to. |
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26 Feb 2011, 17:40 (Ref:2837232) | #156 | ||
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But the technology is not important anyway, it's the image that it portrays. And, besides, F1 was never any good at keeping pace with relevant road going technology. Ironically, only the introduction of a proper budget cap is likely to get F1 engineers thinking more about what F1 cars need as opposed to what pleases everyone else. |
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27 Feb 2011, 11:20 (Ref:2837432) | #157 | ||
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Wouldn't AWKERS not be a good idea in that it would make the cars a bit too easy to driver, having effectively 4WD?
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27 Feb 2011, 12:10 (Ref:2837442) | #158 | |||
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AWKERS doesn't mean all wheel are to be propelled, but that energy is recovered from all wheels. Its also known as 'full hybrid'. |
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F1 could then concentrate on its core business, which is that of innovation and entertainment, rather than having to go off down the various technical blind alleys that they have previously done, and are still continuing to do to this day. Also, with regards to "political will and courage": Turkeys aren't going to vote for Christmas, are they? Quote:
If you also think back to the original budget cap regulations, 4WD was actually on the cards for 2010! Possibly too much of a radical change for some? |
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27 Feb 2011, 22:47 (Ref:2837689) | #160 | ||
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27 Feb 2011, 22:58 (Ref:2837693) | #161 | ||
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F1 needs to realise that it is entertainment, and anything that detracts from the racing is wrecking the sports future. The vested interests in race preventing aerodynamics and the manufacturers with their green agenda are simply bad for the sport. If F1 delivers fast and furious racing, it attracts viewers, and if it has viewers then the sponsors spend money to be associated with the sport. What other sport allows the sponsors to dictate how and where the game is played. F1 is just chasing money from the notoriously unreliable manufacturers and is bending over backwards to meet their unrealistic demand and consequently placing the sport at risk. It is the entertainment industry and needs to guard itself against misuse of its product! Computer manufacturers make their chips faster and faster, and more and more energy efficient, yet we don't line up to watch their boxes race. Last edited by wnut; 27 Feb 2011 at 23:07. |
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My own opinion is that they are just a total joke and anything with a battery that tries to call itself green is just beyond comprehension! Last edited by wnut; 27 Feb 2011 at 23:29. |
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F1 is full of aluminiumy, carbon fibrey, but mostly irony.
How ironic is it that the cars most F1 'fans' seem to want are to be found in another open wheel series (Superleague)! A little tweaking of the aero and you would never know the difference. Last edited by Marbot; 28 Feb 2011 at 08:57. |
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28 Feb 2011, 09:24 (Ref:2837847) | #165 | |
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Superleague is nothing to 'F1' though. The spectacle that is F1 is second to none. Bernie has built an empire. I wanted the FOTA to make a rival series. All that it took was Ferrari to say, ok, then it would have been. But F1 has the nameplate to it and that can't be replaced. When you hear 'F1' you don't think of anything less than, the fastest road racing in the world. Which it is. I really hope for more technical freedom, and hopefully these new regs will be great for that. And I really hope manufacturers come into play. Lots of them left because it was 'stale'. BMW, Toyota, Honda. Nothing compared to their road cars. Now if VW come back in. Nissan with Inifity in, who's to say BMW won't be back? Or Toyota or Honda? That's what F1 should be, the best of the best. Not HRT's struggling to get by. Or weak rules that ban refueling. Retarded in my opinion.
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And F1 isn't the fastest open wheel series in the world because it isn't technically possible for anyone to make a faster open wheel car series. The simple fact is that it is very possible, and for just a fraction of the cost. Would it be road relevant? Who would care! I also seem to remember that Red Bull and many others were once teams "struggling to get by", and that refuelling, along with 'perfect' tyres, just made the predictable even more predictable. |
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28 Feb 2011, 21:03 (Ref:2838142) | #168 | ||
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Yes, you could be right. Market forces taking control of the destiny of a sport. I doubt that the Superleague series will be thinking: 'We'd better get rid of these awesomely powerful screaming V12 engines, and sharpish! No one will like us any more if we don't. Better get some of those 4 cylinder ones to keep the crowds and the viewers happy.' The words 'foot', 'shot', and 'itself' would spring to mind. |
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28 Feb 2011, 22:24 (Ref:2838175) | #169 | ||
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No racing = no spectators = no sponsors = no F1. This green rubbish seems just the way to accomplish that! |
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28 Feb 2011, 23:26 (Ref:2838193) | #170 | |
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One last aside, why have they specified a 4 cylinder turbo, if you were trying to get efficient and could not go the six route the next option should be a three! No overlap to reduce the turbo pressures.
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1 Mar 2011, 00:08 (Ref:2838204) | #171 | |||
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but it isn't sponsors that are the main driving force behind the green agenda in F1, it's the desire to bring in more manufacturers and also to placate governments in areas where the races take place Quote:
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