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Old 29 May 2015, 03:45 (Ref:3542360)   #51
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Old 29 May 2015, 03:59 (Ref:3542366)   #52
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Old 8 Jul 2015, 05:03 (Ref:3556685)   #53
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Interesting to read the following in the TCM Rules:

"Modern graphics or colour schemes shall not be permitted and sponsorship signage must be at a level consistent with that experienced in the early 1970's period".

If you saw the Johnson, Bowe and Richards cars at Darwin round I'm sure all would agree they did not comply with this rule.

So why have such sensible rules if the leaders are going to completely ignore them?
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Old 8 Jul 2015, 11:21 (Ref:3556729)   #54
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Last year's car was pretty wild.

This year's is a lot tamer.
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Old 9 Jul 2015, 03:49 (Ref:3556910)   #55
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Interesting to read the following in the TCM Rules:

"Modern graphics or colour schemes shall not be permitted and sponsorship signage must be at a level consistent with that experienced in the early 1970's period".

If you saw the Johnson, Bowe and Richards cars at Darwin round I'm sure all would agree they did not comply with this rule.

So why have such sensible rules if the leaders are going to completely ignore them?
Also, is the Bowe torana running a 5.8 litre engine, if so how is that allowed?
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Old 9 Jul 2015, 03:54 (Ref:3556911)   #56
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Also, is the Bowe torana running a 5.8 litre engine, if so how is that allowed?
It's a 5.0 litre.
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Old 9 Jul 2015, 11:11 (Ref:3556959)   #57
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It's a 5.0 litre.
I'm sure natsoft had it down as a 5.8 at hidden valley........maybe a mistake on the part of natsoft or my error then.
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Old 9 Jul 2015, 11:19 (Ref:3556963)   #58
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Yep, natsoft says 5.8 litre for Bowe's torana.


2015 Australian Touring Car Masters Series - Qualifying

Qualifying Q2 20 Mins
Scheduled Start 09:25
Track Fine and warm
Page 1 Issue 1
Start Sat Jun 20 09:25
Elapsed Time 20:00
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Pos Car Competitor/Team Driver Vehicle Cap CL Laps Fastest...Lap Gap

1 18 Dunlop Super Dealers/Wilson Se John Bowe (VIC) Torana SLR 5000 5800 4 4 1:12.3826R
2 17 Payce/Wilson Security Steven Johnson (QLD) Ford Mustang TransAm 5800 7 7 1:12.5022r 0:00.1196
3 2 Shannons Insurance Jim Richards (VIC) AMC Javelin 5890 5 2 1:13.0751r 0:00.6925
4 95 Whiteline Transport Racing/Lub Andrew Miedecke (NSW) Chevrolet Camaro SS 5800 11 11 1:13.0803r 0:00.6977
5 75 Mopar Performance Greg Crick (TAS) Chrysler Charger E55 5570 8 5 1:13.4407r 0:01.0581
6 35 iseek Racing Jason Gomersall (QLD) Torana SLR 5000 5047 12 10 1:13.7743 0:01.3917
7 16 Rain City Racing Gavin Bullas (VIC) Ford Mustang Fastbac 5800 11 9 1:13.8789 0:01.4963
8 9 Jesus Racing Andrew Fisher (NSW) Ford Falcon XY GTHO 5800 10 4 1:14.4084 0:02.0258
9 48 Darwin Cheapest Cars Eddie Abelnica (VIC) Ford Falcon XB Coupe 5800 9 9 1:14.5444 0:02.1618
10 60 Glennan's Transport Cameron Tilley (NSW) Valiant Pacer 4390 10 9 1:14.5475 0:02.1649
11 52 Outbound Racing/wheels.com.pg Keith Kassulke (QLD) Ford Falcon XB Coupe 5800 10 8 1:14.5909 0:02.2083
12 88 TIFS - Warehousing & Distribut Tony Karanfilovski (NSW) Ford Mustang Trans A 5800 8 6 1:14.7076 0:02.3250
13 85 Whiteline Transport Racing/Kin Mark King (QLD) Chevrolet Camaro RS 5800 10 9 1:14.9194 0:02.5368
14 3 Hercules Engines Cameron Mason (NSW) Ford Mustang Fastbac 5000 8 4 1:15.5063 0:03.1237
15 46 THD Motorsport Leo Tobin (VIC) Holden HQ Monaro 5810 6 6 1:15.7239 0:03.3413
16 99 Outbound Racing/Treloar Roses Garry Treloar (VIC) Holden HQ Monaro 5810 9 5 1:15.7343 0:03.3517
17 74 Lyndways Builders/Mick Webb's Wayne Mercer (VIC) Ford Falcon XY GTHO 5800 10 4 1:15.8798 0:03.4972
18 7 calga.biz Bill Pye (NSW) Chevrolet Camaro 5800 7 5 1:15.9288 0:03.5462
19 15 Hercules Engines Steve Mason (NSW) Chevrolet Camaro 5800 5 3 1:16.0718 0:03.6892
20 10 Sunliner RV Tony Hunter (VIC) Chevrolet Monza 2+2 5000 6 6 1:16.8228 0:04.4402

Fastest Lap Av.Speed Is 143kph, 130% Of First 1 Is 1:34.0974
Current Practice Record Is 1:13.5842 Set On 19/06/2015 By John Bowe (VIC) In A Torana SLR 5000
R=under lap record by greatest margin, r=under lap record, *=fastest lap time

With that power to weight ratio what will be able to beat it?
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Old 9 Jul 2015, 11:30 (Ref:3556966)   #59
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Im suggesting Natsoft is wrong

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It's appealing because the car has an Aussie 308 engine, unlike the other Torana’s that all have Chevy engines.
Same as my boat, wonder if its still running a rochester
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Old 10 Jul 2015, 02:15 (Ref:3557171)   #60
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Maybe its running a stroker.......
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That thing is very bloody quick, but with a 308 in it its really a full size smaller than a lot of the V8 powered cars.
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Old 10 Jul 2015, 04:40 (Ref:3557199)   #62
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That thing is very bloody quick, but with a 308 in it its really a full size smaller than a lot of the V8 powered cars.
It is quick, that's why I thought natsoft must have been correct about the 5.8 litre engine.
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Old 10 Jul 2015, 11:08 (Ref:3557270)   #63
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Interesting to read the following in the TCM Rules:

"Modern graphics or colour schemes shall not be permitted and sponsorship signage must be at a level consistent with that experienced in the early 1970's period".

If you saw the Johnson, Bowe and Richards cars at Darwin round I'm sure all would agree they did not comply with this rule.

So why have such sensible rules if the leaders are going to completely ignore them?
Does it mean another competitor in a plain car could protest these three and have them disqualified?
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Old 10 Jul 2015, 11:22 (Ref:3557277)   #64
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Does it mean another competitor in a plain car could protest these three and have them disqualified?
i had a look at johnsons and richards cars , it didnt look much different in advertising style to Brocks 73 torana. Bowes one, is very borderline

Brocks 73 torana



here is a 76 torana similar to what Bowe is running lines look similar from a design point of view, but Bowe has more sponsors


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When they first stickered up Mr Bowe's car, I wondered whether they were channelling the Bill Patterson cars from the era...



Indeed the fella who put the signs on that car seemed to be of a similar view at the time.
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Old 11 Jul 2015, 23:39 (Ref:3557635)   #66
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When they first stickered up Mr Bowe's car, I wondered whether they were channelling the Bill Patterson cars from the era...



Indeed the fella who put the signs on that car seemed to be of a similar view at the time.
You could possibly stretch the imagination and say that Bowe's Torana graphics are similar to the Bill Pattersoncar (and to Janes L34).

But what about Richards Javelin? I don't recall a scheme with vertical stripes such as this. See attached
http://www.touringcarmasters.com.au/...river-profiles
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I dont recall seeing another AMC Javelin racing here back in the day..
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I think TCM has moved on a bit since those initial guidelines..
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I think TCM has moved on a bit since those initial guidelines..

This rule is NOT "initial guidelines"

It is actually in Appendix A of their current "Sporting and Technical Regulations". So why is it not controlled?
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But what about Richards Javelin? I don't recall a scheme with vertical stripes such as this. See attached
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AMC Javelins racing in period in the USA regularly had vertically split paint schemes.

In any case, the article in the regs you quote says "shall" so there is an allowance for variation built into the regs right off the bat. If it said "will" that would be another thing entirely.......
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AMC Javelins racing in period in the USA regularly had vertically split paint schemes.

In any case, the article in the regs you quote says "shall" so there is an allowance for variation built into the regs right off the bat. If it said "will" that would be another thing entirely.......
It seems the comments on graphics are superfluous as we unfortunately were looking at the out dated regulations.

The regulations on the TCM site are the 2014 regulations. They just haven't bothered to update them for the benefit of the interested.

For the 2015 regulations you have to look on the CAMS site.
http://docs.cams.com.au/Manual/Sport...ersion%203.pdf

The first 5 lines of Appendix A have now been eliminated

It seems the TCM regulations could be said to be in a state of flux.

There have been 3 versions so far of the 2015 regulations.
Version 1 issued 23 February
Version 2 issued 25 March
Version 3 issued 13 May

This version 3 was issued after the first two rounds of the 2015 series had actually taken place. There is nothing like making rules on the run......

So you can now have any graphics and signage that you want.

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Ive been wondering frm the very beginning Terry. Why are you interested in this?
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So you can now have any graphics and signage that you want.
Well I am suitably relieved...
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This version 3 was issued after the first two rounds of the 2015 series had actually taken place. There is nothing like making rules on the run......

Would this have been just in time to make the said Torana legal?
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It seems the comments on graphics are superfluous as we unfortunately were looking at the out dated regulations.

The regulations on the TCM site are the 2014 regulations. They just haven't bothered to update them for the benefit of the interested.

For the 2015 regulations you have to look on the CAMS site.
http://docs.cams.com.au/Manual/Sport...ersion%203.pdf

The first 5 lines of Appendix A have now been eliminated

It seems the TCM regulations could be said to be in a state of flux.

There have been 3 versions so far of the 2015 regulations.
Version 1 issued 23 February
Version 2 issued 25 March
Version 3 issued 13 May

This version 3 was issued after the first two rounds of the 2015 series had actually taken place. There is nothing like making rules on the run......

So you can now have any graphics and signage that you want.
Included in the changes from 2014 were the elimination of nearly all of the first five lines of Appendix A which covered the graphics and signage regulations.
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