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16 Nov 2011, 07:44 (Ref:2988979)
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So... I always understood that the entirity of the racer driver's person is supposed to be covered in some kind of fire retardant safety equipment, being a race suit, race socks, race suit, balaclava and helmet.
When you look at some of those pics, including bizarrely VESA's "Proof" video snapshot, it is clear that there is a gap around the driver's neck that remains uncovered, despite the other racing paraphernalia in attendance. Should Mr Whincup be the unfortunate victim of a fire in the cabin, the whole of his person is not protected from the flames. In a scenario such as the WA wreck, where both cars had flames in the cabin, arguably the driver would be at risk of injury to have such exposed skin. Presumably there is a CAMS/FIA standard about such things? 
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16 Nov 2011, 09:01 (Ref:2988980)
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16 Nov 2011, 09:11 (Ref:2988981)
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two examples of the equipment not being up to scratch now
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16 Nov 2011, 10:04 (Ref:2988982)
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You would imagine that this is a serious safety risk... whose role is it to ensure compliance of all equipment to the appropriate CAMS/FIA requirements? |
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16 Nov 2011, 10:28 (Ref:2988983)
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 , given the drivers wear full length nomex pants and socks under the driving suit it isn't as bad as it looks. The driving suits I bought this year had what was referred to as "Nascar" legs. There was an inner leg with elastic around the ankle and the outside looks like normal pants. Normally the balaclava would be long enough to tuck inside the collar of the suit, it did look short. |
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16 Nov 2011, 10:48 (Ref:2988984)
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16 Nov 2011, 11:04 (Ref:2988985)
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actually mixer from the regulations
3.11 Balaclava hood One-piece garment designed to fit closely over the entire head and to extend downwards to cover the neck. and also 5.3 Balaclava hoods All the part of the balaclava hood seen in frontal projection when the garment is worn shall consist of at least two layers and shall have no more than two apertures, no larger than necessary for normal vision. A supplementary aperture of minimum size for the mouth is permitted. The minimum mass per area of the two layers together shall be = 360 g/m². The lower part shall be designed to extend inside the outer or inner garment all around the neck so that it will not come free whichever way the head is moved. and also Drivers must ensure that garments are not too tight, as this reduces the level of protection |
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18 Nov 2011, 06:57 (Ref:2988986)
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What's the deal with racesuit undergarments?
From Sandown today... 
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18 Nov 2011, 09:04 (Ref:2988987)
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20 Nov 2011, 01:11 (Ref:2988988)
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Maybe its an offset to the Grid Girls thread?
Meantime... is there a judge of fact permanently assigned to ensure that safety equipment is worn as designed, and covering the driver as per the regulations? |
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20 Nov 2011, 01:50 (Ref:2989001)
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The scruitineer's are responsible for checking driver safety gear (sorry, that's in the normal world)
In V8's it might be left to owner onus, which as we know doesn't really work.... Sent from my BlackBerry 9780 using Tapatalk |
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Bring on the Endurance season, and some big name DNF's... (I'd love to see the V8 Chumpionship decided @ Winton, thus making the El Grande Finale the flop it deserves to be...)
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20 Nov 2011, 02:19 (Ref:2989010)
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Scrutineers check that the gear complies with FIA requirements.
Other than that, the teams are responsible for their own safety although I do recall spot checks being done on items such as balaclavas before now. |
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20 Nov 2011, 23:08 (Ref:2989336)
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20 Nov 2011, 23:12 (Ref:2989337)
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The lack of a fire resistant undershirt has also reduced the number of fire resistant layers by one so if a driver is required to have X number of layers and the undershirt is one of them then this would not comply.
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20 Nov 2011, 23:13 (Ref:2989339)
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21 Nov 2011, 01:11 (Ref:2989368)
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21 Nov 2011, 04:15 (Ref:2989423)
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All the V8's drivers apparel is checked before the 1st practise session as per the V8SC scrutineering requirements. Before the there 1st race of the weekend, the pit crews apparel is also checked.
The way the V8's leave from pit lane it is almost impossible to see if the driver is dressed correctly (unlike the cars in the pregrid where you can walk around and have a goods look into the cars). I am sure there are hundreds of stories of drivers, from all classes of racing on there warm up lap, undoing the collar and unzipping the suit a little at the front to get a bit more air. I am quite sure they all remember "Balaclava Gate" from Bathurst a few years ago. Why would a V8SC driver risk it ? |
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21 Nov 2011, 06:21 (Ref:2989436)
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Its the same old story, it wont happen to me... imagine the outcry if someone gets hurt through his own fault.
It goes back to the old saying.... if you got a $10 head then get a $10 helmet. How much is your personal safety worth? |
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22 Nov 2011, 08:10 (Ref:2989907)
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What about the HANS Device.
It this checked when every driver leaves the pits? |
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22 Nov 2011, 15:35 (Ref:2990044)
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The other side of the coin is the safety car has no roll cage and the crew don't have suits or helmets. Considering the amount of serious incidences in other series it might be wise to be safe.
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22 Nov 2011, 21:59 (Ref:2990183)
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22 Nov 2011, 22:33 (Ref:2990195)
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Cromley: "With the margin Gareth has, he doesn't need to play for sheep stations"
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22 Nov 2011, 22:41 (Ref:2990199)
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23 Nov 2011, 00:12 (Ref:2990233)
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Another thing I noticed is that some of the media and officials don't wear helmets when standing in the live pitlane.
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23 Nov 2011, 01:02 (Ref:2990246)
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