BMW threaten pullout!

ralf fan · 13 Jun 2004, 19:45 (Ref:1002831)

........... if V10's are not used..

http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlin...13144621.shtml

could this happen... though i suspect we will see a lot of rumours and statements being made in the lead up to this big shake-up of formula-1

Knowlesy · 13 Jun 2004, 19:52 (Ref:1002837)

Ah, this one again.

Old news really....

ASCII Man · 13 Jun 2004, 19:56 (Ref:1002841)

Who cares, **** them i'd say.

Gt_R · 13 Jun 2004, 19:58 (Ref:1002844)

I'd love to see BMW in F1...but bye bye

Nah...i share the same interest of seeing V10 stay.

Kicking-back · 13 Jun 2004, 20:08 (Ref:1002851)

We hear this sort of story all the time.

I'll believe it when I see it!

f1manoz · 13 Jun 2004, 20:09 (Ref:1002853)

Last week it was Renault, this week it's BMW. Who next, Ferrari?

Kicking-back · 13 Jun 2004, 20:17 (Ref:1002864)

Nope, f1manoz, that was two weeks ago!

**Dani Filth** · 13 Jun 2004, 20:29 (Ref:1002872)

they reallly should the engine configuration free .. from 4-12 or even 16

pole2pole · 13 Jun 2004, 20:30 (Ref:1002874)

Look the way i see this is if any of the top names pull out of f1 then f1 is f***** as simple as that

ASCII Man · 13 Jun 2004, 20:32 (Ref:1002877)

Not really, they managed fine in the past and they will do so again in the future without BMW or Mercedes or whoever leaves.

**Dani Filth** · 13 Jun 2004, 20:36 (Ref:1002879)

not if Ferrari leaves .. but that would not happend

Kicking-back · 13 Jun 2004, 20:37 (Ref:1002880)

F1 has been fine without manufacturers in the past - and could do again.

That's precisely why they can't be allowed to hold the sport to ransom.

pole2pole · 13 Jun 2004, 20:39 (Ref:1002884)

Quote:

Originally posted by ASCII Man
Not really, they managed fine in the past and they will do so again in the future without BMW or Mercedes or whoever leaves.

But if they leave they will look at other forms of motor sports which the rest will follow its all money its all about being the best

Kicking-back · 13 Jun 2004, 20:53 (Ref:1002898)

Quote:

Originally posted by pole2pole
But if they leave they will look at other forms of motor sports which the rest will follow its all money its all about being the best

Is it?

BMW and Mercedes are already in other forms of motorsports.

pole2pole · 13 Jun 2004, 21:01 (Ref:1002910)

Yes but not all

grumpy1 · 14 Jun 2004, 00:06 (Ref:1003021)

So whens the announcment Toyota are pulling out because they can't win a GP.

Why the restriction on the number of cylinders.Would it not be more practical to limit displacement instead?

The Grumpy1

**Spudgun** · 14 Jun 2004, 00:10 (Ref:1003023)

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpy1
Why the restriction on the number of cylinders.Would it not be more practical to limit displacement instead?

The Grumpy1

A very good point. It wasn't that long ago we had V8's, V10's and V12's on the grid at the same time.

Why the FIA stipulated V10 only I don't know. At least allow the teams a little creativity.

Red · 14 Jun 2004, 06:08 (Ref:1003131)

That's precisely the reason why they forced V10: to limit creativity (read expensive development process etc). And not they force them to be creative again! This is stooooooopid.

DNQ · 14 Jun 2004, 06:34 (Ref:1003145)

Who cares if BMW leave. I don't. I don't care if all the manufacturers leave. So long as I still have a series of at least 10 teams to watch.

neilwaynesmith · 14 Jun 2004, 06:42 (Ref:1003149)

Ho-hum, another manufacturer, another rattle being thrown out of another pram......

Just who is supposed to run the sport? The teams or the FIA?

Granted the FIA don't exactly do themselves any favours sometimes, but they ARE the organisers/rule makers. If BMW don't like it then tough. They've pulled out before once their marketing agenda was satisfied...

Kicking-back · 14 Jun 2004, 11:35 (Ref:1003409)

The reason for mandating V10s and now V8s is that in the past manufacturers would go down the road of expensive evaluations of various different configurations.

DriverT · 14 Jun 2004, 15:36 (Ref:1003715)

Quote:

Originally posted by pole2pole
Look the way i see this is if any of the top names pull out of f1 then f1 is f***** as simple as that

You could say that and it would be true. But Max and Bernie cannot just cave in to a manufacturer's every demand.

Red · 14 Jun 2004, 16:28 (Ref:1003755)

Well, firstly the manufacturesrs actually pay the bills, not Max. Secondly, it wasn't like manufacturers bombastically demanded a "new" formula, with 3 liters and 10 cylinders. It was Max' idea to change the rules.

neil_davidson2 · 14 Jun 2004, 16:35 (Ref:1003757)

Quote:

Originally posted by Kicking-back
The reason for mandating V10s and now V8s is that in the past manufacturers would go down the road of expensive evaluations of various different configurations.

Don't forget Max's plans to have a common FIA supplied ECU. They'd really struggle to make that reality if there were a variety of engine configurations on the grid.

Red · 14 Jun 2004, 16:45 (Ref:1003764)

Max is only playing a publicity stunt, like he's doing since 2000 (the "remove electronics" thing). Or even before when he made the "increase overtakings task force" thing, resulting in narrow cars and grooves). He just say something like "yes I care, I'd be the savior of F1, look what great ideas I have! But alas, the teams won't let me do it. THEY are the evil guys."

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