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Well a great race pity about all the trouble in the first few laps but some great performances
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He did what he needed (and was expected) to do. No problem there. Max was optimistic, as there wasn't any track (only kerb) where he dived, but I didn't see him touch anyone, rather he was touched by Raikkonen - wasn't he? (Having said that, Kimi didn't really have anywhere else to go thanks to Vettel). Mind you, Max wasn't the only one to be almost fully on the kerbs on that first turn on lap 1.
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kind of funny how the 2 cars with the engine penalties had the best races. im not sure how best to handle it.
the many retirements helped but at this point of the season, is a fresh engine a bigger advantage over the rest of the grid relative to the grid penalty meant to off set it? that LH now has a pool of unused engines feels wrong. |
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After the first corner shambles, some of Verstappen's defensive moves were getting pretty near-the-knuckle too. I doubt he's making many friends in the paddock at the moment. Someone is going to have to give him a slap sometime soon. After the various comments about Verstappen's floor damage and Christian Horner saying it was costing him 1.5sec per lap, I looked again at the La Source incident. The contact with Raikkonen was purely his front wing, which then shed various trim tabs and endplate around the outside of the front wheel. So none of that would have caused floor damage. However mid-corner he was straddling a big serrated kerb so it looks to me like the floor damage was entirely self-inflicted. |
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On a different theme, I was struck by the speed of the Red Bulls on Kemmel Straight, or perhaps I should say the "lack of slowness". As a continuation of Red Bull's complaints last year, we have been led to believe that the TAG-Heuer-Renault is still way down on power. That didn't seem to be the case at Spa, so I've just been looking at speed trap figures. In the race, Verstappen was third fastest, just 2km/h slower than the fastest. Ricciardo was another 4km/h down in 10th fastest. They were both much faster than the works Renaults, as well as being faster than the Williams, the McLarens, the Manors, etc. |
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Well, it is fair to say that the rule really does need looking at, in fact the sport on the whole could be doing far better, that being said, it wasn't a bad race today which made a nice change.
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Also, a 8 place penalty on the final result would mean he finished 11th (and in other circumstances, with no safety car, even further down the field), which means there would be no point in him even going out or even trying. He'd do a couple of laps, then come in, saving the engine and gearbox. Not very exciting, defining how someone can finish a race, before the race even starts. |
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Just watched the race (recorded it) after I watched the LMS race instead.
Who were they booing on the podium? I can't see any of the 3 having done something wrong :/ None of the were involved in close battles, let alone accidents. |
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Nico seemed to indicate during the podium interview that the Verstappen fans were disappointed. I assumed that was in reference to the booing.
Others have said the same, but I also am put off by fans booing someone who is on the podium. Richard |
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Leaves a bad taste in the mouth when people boo. Maybe max should've not driven into other cars and he could've been up there like his fans wanted.
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These grid penalties seem to be a bit of a nonsense and really need to be looked at. If a penalty is incurred and the driver is to start from say 30th on the grid, though in reality they are starting 2nd to last and yet they finish on the podium and are allowed to keep their finishing position, what's the point of the penalty? It seems to me to be rather absurd and as we saw today can be used to a driver's and team's advantage, as Mercedes and Hamilton did. |
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"Grid penalties are a bit of a nonsense" - well, of course.
Originally conceived as a measure to reduce costs by limiting teams' expenditure, it has essentially failed spectacularly, so why not just scrap the whole concept......? |
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I absolutely understand the desire to constrain costs where possible and to save teams from themselves but introducing complex and expensive engine (power unit) regulations kind of runs against the cost constraint idea anyway. I can't help feeling (again) that this is another example of the F1 regs being too convoluted and too intent on avoiding the straightforward - as a result, the original objective is not achieved (again) and the rules simply deliver weird situations like this weekend. |
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but it IS weird. during the olympics there was booing (that french chap in pole vault was a victim of it) and apparently sport is a bit more pantomime in some countries which is ok but it jars a bit in those places that are used to encouraging their sportsmen vocally instead of putting others down. |
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I thought they were booing, but my son (who has much younger ears than me!) reckons there was a bunch of people chanting "Loooo...wis"?
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As I wrote in the Silverstone thread, F1 seems to be attracting driver fans rather than racing enthusiasts, and it was evident in spades during the British GP on the Sunday. Every time Hamilton passed, whole sections of the crowd would cheer (and some stand up and clap) whilst Rosberg was treated with boos. And this continued throughout the race, and for our little group of 4, it became not only tedious but downright rude.
Button also got cheered at times, but the ignorants in the crowd often cheered Alonso because they couldn't differentiate between the two cars. I found the spectacle very unsavoury. |
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Did I also hear that Lewis had a new gearbox as well thus adding another 16(?) grid penalties? This iseems to be within the rules and so quite "fair" but does beg the question of how many changes a team will elect to make once they are at the back of the grid. Do the team have to prove the need for a change? The changes seemed to be made after each of the practice sessions, what happens to the "new" parts fitted in FP1 and then again changed in FP2, do they have to be "handed in" or just removed and put back in the truck?
Effectively, unless I am totally wrong (quite possible as I don't claim to be student of the detailed rules!), a team could / can / did .. change all restricted parts several times and only be back row. Changes would seem to be likely to the penalty system but Lewis certainly made the best of it, kept out of trouble and if he had not lost so many racing laps may well have been second and challenging for a win. Interesting race |
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Why can't the grid penalties carry over? 30 grid penalties but only 22 cars in the field... so if he qualifies on pole, gets demoted 21 places to the back of the field, then he'd carry over 9 more penalties for the next race.
Yuck. Even typing that out I realize how much I don't like it. But at least it would be a bit more of a disincentive to change everything on the car at once. |
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