Bulgaria - the next new F1-track?

[bio]

Found this:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.bg/i...a%2002_big.jpg

(Source: http://grinders.org/poker/showthread.php?t=3394)

What do you think?

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[ptclaus98]

Atmosphere looks good. Layout looks boring.

[bio]

Great summary

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[dyewat808]

Like ptclaus said, nice area, though I think the layout kinda looks like Barber a little bit, which is a track I like...

On an alternative note, I found this when I looked further down the page:

"Button injured in a horrific F1 accident":

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._5356073_n.jpg

Probably been posted on this forum before, but hey

[ptclaus98]

Originally Posted by bio

Great summary

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I was never much for words.

[bio]

Originally Posted by dyewat808

"Button injured in a horrific F1 accident":

:

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[bio]

Originally Posted by ptclaus98

I was never much for words.

Sometimes less is definitely more

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[PawUloN]

The first 4 corners look like Brno.

But nice, that they are expanding, the more circuits, the better!

[Purist]

It's certainly not the worst I've seen, but it's not the best either.

I think it could be decent enough, but I would really need to see a proper, plan-view diagram. Also, I would need to know an approximate length.

Dye, I'll just say here that Barber would NOT make a good F1 circuit, as cars with that kind of power simply don't have enough room to stretch their legs on such a track.

Paw, I'm not sure that it's likely we'd see more F1 tracks; I think it's rather more likely that existing venues will get the chop to make room for newer ones.

As for the theory that alternating venues, possibly even between countries, is a good idea, I have this to say. To my mind, if a country already had a full-time GP, it's just a recipe to allow the fanbase there to slowly die, as they won't have the regular calendar slot sectioned off for that race, and at that particular venue. Most of the more casual viewers NEED a much more rigid racing calendar EVERY YEAR than we do, to keep their routine. Otherwise, that routine erodes, and those events that have been given second-tier status (not being held every year) just slowly die off.

[LuiggiSpeed]

Is it me or that thing looks midget?

I mean, I love the layout, it looks pretty darn technical and physically demanding for bikes, it looks safe for my eyes and fun, maybe too technical, which is never a problem for me, but I have trouble visualizing F1 cars there, unless those things that look like cars in the paddock are actually school buses.

EDIT: Well, also the trees must be sequoias or that track is midget.

[ECW Dan Selby]

Yeh it does just remind me of Barber, except with lesser flowing hairpins. It also looks about the same size as Barber ie. Not big enough for F1

thanks for the link though mate!

Selby

[ScotsBrutesFan]

I had originally tried to post the following last night, but my connection dropped.

First reaction is nice National sized circuit.

Secondly, why do T1, T3 and to a lesser extent T4 (the hairpin) all exit from their right handed sweep onto the apex kerb of a left kink. The corners are different profile and radii but no need to repet the trick 3 times in the first half of the circuit.

The pit exit from the looks of things re-joins the circuit directly opposite the Apex kerb I mentioned on the exit of T1. That Kerb takes the racing line across to the outside of the circuit (actually the infield side) much earlier than it would otherwise have done...in fact it takes it right into the path of thse exiting the pits.

Hard to see from the oblique angle of the drawing but the their doesn't appear to be a "natural" path for the pit entry given that the final 2 corners are make up a 90 degree right-90 degree left chicane. The corner prior to the chicane is very close so nowhere between them for pit entry, The only obvious place left is between the 4th and 3rd last corners which results in missing 3 very slow corners and a very long pit entry.

Scale is difficult, the buildings, car parks and shrubbery do nothing to help with it. It certainly doesn't appear to be GP length, unless one of the straights is massively longer than the drawing makes them look, which goes back to my initial comment about it being a National Size circuit.

[bio]

Originally Posted by Purist

I'm not sure that it's likely we'd see more F1 tracks; I think it's rather more likely that existing venues will get the chop to make room for newer ones.

Someone in the Bulgarian staff said the Bulgarian GP would be "the only F1 race in the area", probably meaning Eastern-Europe, and this led to the speculations that the Hungarian and the Turkish GP's would get out of the calendar. Bernie denied. That's where the story is at the moment.

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[ECW Dan Selby]

I could see the Turkish GP going, but I havn't heard any rumblings in regards to the Hungarian GP for... ever, I think, as it goes!

But that's interesting information..

Selby

[bio]

Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

I could see the Turkish GP going, but I havn't heard any rumblings in regards to the Hungarian GP for... ever, I think, as it goes!

But that's interesting information..

Selby

It's a hot topic here in Hungary right now - exactly because what that Bulgarian whoever said makes one think there wouldnt be any other F1 races anymore in the area than that Bulgarian one meaning the Hungarian GP would go.

But, as i mentioned, Bernie clearly denied.

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[ECW Dan Selby]

Bernie says alot of things...

Selby

[bio]

Originally Posted by ECW Dan Selby

Bernie says alot of things...

Selby

Now, that cannot be denied - even by him

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[olivk]

The picture is lovely. But i doubt a track used for such big events as F1 GP will remain so virginal in its immediate surroundings.

To the layout : doesn't look very interesting at 1st sight... what i would definitely love to see as the next new F1-track, is a track that adapts to topography, like Spa... flat tracks are so boring... i want slopes!!!

[dyewat808]

Originally Posted by olivk

The picture is lovely. But i doubt a track used for such big events as F1 GP will remain so virginal in its immediate surroundings.

To the layout : doesn't look very interesting at 1st sight... what i would definitely love to see as the next new F1-track, is a track that adapts to topography, like Spa... flat tracks are so boring... i want slopes!!!

Yeah, bring on the hills. That would get me interested in a tracks design more than anything else.

Speaking of which, its a bit off-topic, but how have you guys represented track height in your own designs in the past? I'm thinking of doing a track which has a 2d plan design, with a 3d "height" map. Before, I've just labelled the bits that are "high" and "low", and whether corners are off-cambered or not.

Dye, I'll just say here that Barber would NOT make a good F1 circuit, as cars with that kind of power simply don't have enough room to stretch their legs on such a track.

Sure, agreed - I think that's why I like it - nice and twisty and confined. Looks challenging too!

[bio]

Originally Posted by dyewat808

how have you guys represented track height in your own designs in the past? I'm thinking of doing a track which has a 2d plan design, with a 3d "height" map. Before, I've just labelled the bits that are "high" and "low", and whether corners are off-cambered or not.

There are several methods we used. I use a color scale blue (low)-green (middle)-yellow (small elevation) - orange (mid elevation)-red (high elevation), some use a line representing the track to show the altitude variations.

Neither are especially good - but, I guess, there is just no really good way to represent altitude variations in 2D...

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[mitchbr]

[QUOTE=PawUloN;2783834] "The first 4 corners look like Brno."



I was just about to say that!!! Anyway, track looks decent, but not up to par with other F1 circuits (even though I very much dislike the typical Hermann Tilke design, even though Korea looked great), but you never know until you race on it

[Birddog07]

Looks decent apart from the 90 degree turn 1. Some elevation and I think it'd be pretty interesting.

[Quintin03]

Originally Posted by Birddog07

Looks decent apart from the 90 degree turn 1. Some elevation and I think it'd be pretty interesting.

And to think you've posted some of your own designs on here. Such an illogical piece of run off, if it'd be anticlockwise, would that be at T1.

[Birddog07]

Whoops, haha. Just thinking real quick how a handfull of all these modern F1 tracks are anti-clockwise.

Looks good if it is long enough. Be nice to lengthen the backstraight and add a strip of track to bypass that slower infielf stuff. That does however remove a possible overtaking zone and what looks like could be a nice fast sweeping left. Not really a fan of the tracks with infields. Understand that they save space and improve viewing, and aren't always rubbish if designed right. I just like the tracks that seem to open up loop around somewhere instead of be compact and go back and fourth on themselves. I think even the shortest tracks like Lime Rock seem longer because they loop around.

[RF_Racer]

Bulgaria is still pretty much in the dark age in terms on peoples mentality and the very hight crime rate. I dont think it is fit to host an F1 race. Security would be a big issue.