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Old 17 Nov 2010, 17:24 (Ref:2792176)   #351
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Wow - Never thought I'd say this, but if Audi have the only coupe on the grid, I'll be routing for them!

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Old 17 Nov 2010, 17:42 (Ref:2792183)   #352
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Wow - Never thought I'd say this, but if Audi have the only coupe on the grid, I'll be routing for them!

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Peugeot is, with no doubt, a Coupe! (see the 90X-T car).
And i'll bet my penny that there will be at least one Lola Coupe.
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Old 17 Nov 2010, 18:18 (Ref:2792193)   #353
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If it's a 2.0T could it be 5 cylinder?

Audi's road cars are moving away from big V8's towards lighter models and small turbo engines.
Thought also about this . Could it be that they are testing special Parts in the TT RS Engine in the VLN ??? This TT is bloody quick .

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Old 17 Nov 2010, 18:22 (Ref:2792195)   #354
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Thought also about this . Could it be that they are testing special Parts in the TT RS Engine in the VLN ??? This TT is bloody quick .

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Again. Pirro has confirmed it's a diesel... Let it go
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Old 17 Nov 2010, 18:27 (Ref:2792197)   #355
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I don't see any reason to use a 5 cilnder engine. It will be longer than a 4 cilinder or a V6 and it produces more vibrations.
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Old 17 Nov 2010, 19:46 (Ref:2792246)   #356
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Thought also about this . Could it be that they are testing special Parts in the TT RS Engine in the VLN ??? This TT is bloody quick .

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Slightly off topic but why do you keep on uploading your photos as .gif? That's quite possibly the worst file format for large pictures right after bmp..
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Old 17 Nov 2010, 19:53 (Ref:2792248)   #357
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Cough! - its the new Knighty here......all this engine talk is tediously boring, can we please bring the subject back on track.......as a complete shot in the dark I think the new Audi R18 will be silver with red stripes and quite possibly driven by mcnish, pirro and kristensen ;-)........how am I doing????
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Old 17 Nov 2010, 20:15 (Ref:2792258)   #358
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Cough! - its the new Knighty here......all this engine talk is tediously boring, can we please bring the subject back on track.......as a complete shot in the dark I think the new Audi R18 will be silver with red stripes and quite possibly driven by mcnish, pirro and kristensen ;-)........how am I doing????
Pretty good with the exception of Pirro. Second time he has been mixed up with Dindo Capello in the last four posts!
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Pretty good with the exception of Pirro. Second time he has been mixed up with Dindo Capello in the last four posts!
Dindo/Pirro same same .
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Old 18 Nov 2010, 00:07 (Ref:2792377)   #360
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You missed 2 vital points? It will have a round sticky black thing on each corner. Likely labelled Michelin.
And 4 more shiny round things, linked into a straight line, stuck on the front!

As to the rest, what would I know...
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Old 18 Nov 2010, 00:11 (Ref:2792378)   #361
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I just had a thought? Anyone got tank capacity figures for LPG, or Hydrogen?!?!?!
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You missed 2 vital points? It will have a round sticky black thing on each corner. Likely labelled Michelin.
And 4 more shiny round things, linked into a straight line, stuck on the front!

As to the rest, what would I know...
cripes, my first post on my new specialist subject and I fall flat on my face!.......like a fish out of water!........think I'll stick to the day job........I honestly think Audi are enjoying playing with the constant press enquiries about their 2011 plans and therefore feeding the press a selection of contradictory plans along the lines of the open/coupe and diesel/gasoline, hybrid/non-hybrid theme.

but a few things are for sure - it will be silver with some red stripes, 4 rings on the front and some black round things on the corners......... sherlock holmes would be proud!
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Good!

If it's relevant to the thread title, you can talk engines 24/7.........and please do.

All I ask (why do I feel like I'm repeating myself?) is that you discuss Audi's choice of engine on this thread, Peugeot's choice of engine on the Peugeot 90X thread, more general future LMP engine discussion on the LMP Future Regs thread etc. If what you want to discuss doesn't fit any of the existing threads open a new one.

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Hang on Bentley?
This was a little light hearted banter?
Specifically about Audi.
What line??? We ain't crossed it!
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This was a little light hearted banter?
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What line??? We ain't crossed it!
Well aware it was light banter, and I took it that way, it wasn't an issue. I was merely acknowledging Knighty's desire to talk engines, and encouraging him to do so. The line is hopefully drawn under his 'new Knighty' livery posts in a hope that we get the 'old Knighty' back to talking about what he talks about best........engines.
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Oh please?! No!!!!!!!
My head may explode.

Seriously, I think his non engine analysis is tight and succinct. As far as it goes!

I still await an answer regarding 'alternative' fuels...
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I just had a thought? Anyone got tank capacity figures for LPG, or Hydrogen?!?!?!
Old knighty here!......honest answer is I dont think the ACO allow either type of fuel....... but if they did:

LPG: refuelling is not fast or easy, the Ford BTCC LPG powered team normally do this at the back of the pit lane and the tank is not what I would term small. consider those races normally last for say 20 minutes only, then they can re-fuel it.

Hydrogen - burning this stuff in an internal combusting engine is a fools game, its an incredibly inefficient way of using it, I have seen it done and to get the equivalent milage of a diesel engine you need to multiply the fuel tank size by about 5 times.........seen it done on a transit conversion for e research company who were going to sell conversions to the white van men - it was a joke with several massive cylinders slung under the chassis, realistically hydrogen is best purged through a fuel cell to generate electricity which drives a traction motor on the axle, much more efficient, lots of "fuel cell" companies now doing this.........but again - this aint no "long distance" race system ;-)
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Hydrogen right now is kind of a red herring. BMW's hydrogen 7 series has a 6 liter V12 that makes only 270bhp--the normal gasoline engine is far more poweriful. It seems that hydrogen is more than likely like ethanol--energy density isn't all that great. You have to burn a lot of it to make a lot of power, it seems. And to get the same range as gasoline, you'll take a big power hit.

I think that Dindo may've dropped some hints in that interveiw, but until December, we're all shooting in the dark, but I bet that some here have hit on what Audi will have with the R18.
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Oh yes. thus far I have worked out it will be a red thing, with 4 shiny things and 4 black things, an open Coupe body, with a petrol/diesel powered fuel cell stopping every 20 minutes for LPG.

Sounds exciting.

Does it have a driver?
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Oh yes. thus far I have worked out it will be a red thing, with 4 shiny things and 4 black things, an open Coupe body, with a petrol/diesel powered fuel cell stopping every 20 minutes for LPG.

Sounds exciting.

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No, it's driven by a vacumcleaner.. .

Should be get back on topic?
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Im glad to know that it is a coupe for sure and am very curious as to what Audi may be planning with this car. Dindo made it sound like they are not going diesel or hybrid and have something entirely different...
LMP2 ??

Meaning Audi recognition of defeat... cut cost heavily... and pass to target the obsolete legacy motorization. After all with only 500Kj between breaking points hybrid tech is in no position to deliver a wining LMP1. And being 1º (first) in LMP2 perhaps can deliver more dividends than being 2º in LMP1(Audi 2010 luck is a think that only happens once or twice[more luck] in a decade- many times never happen).
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Hydrogen - burning this stuff in an internal combusting engine is a fools game, its an incredibly inefficient way of using it, I have seen it done and to get the equivalent milage of a diesel engine you need to multiply the fuel tank size by about 5 times.........seen it done on a transit conversion for e research company who were going to sell conversions to the white van men - it was a joke with several massive cylinders slung under the chassis, realistically hydrogen is best purged through a fuel cell to generate electricity which drives a traction motor on the axle, much more efficient, lots of "fuel cell" companies now doing this.........but again - this aint no "long distance" race system ;-)
I don't think so.

H2 has the highest energy per mass(kg) than any other fuel... also has the lowest density(occupies too much volume)...The problem with H2 is that the molecule is so small that it would escape from normal fuel tanks... similar things with LPG... H2 and LPG are naturally excluded from endurance(long races)... of topic, but... but future of H2 may pass to "water"( anyone can laugh how much they want from ignorance) and super efficient forms of electrolysis(google HHOi).

Fuel cell are only around 30% efficient.. leaving modern diesel with the highest efficiency of all... I BET Audi will be diesel in 2011 or else they are in a retirement from race platform ...
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Meaning Audi recognition of defeat... cut cost heavily... and pass to target the obsolete legacy motorization. After all with only 500Kj between breaking points hybrid tech is in no position to deliver a wining LMP1. And being 1º (first) in LMP2 perhaps can deliver more dividends than being 2º in LMP1(Audi 2010 luck is a think that only happens once or twice[more luck] in a decade- many times never happen).
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LMP2 ??

Meaning Audi recognition of defeat... cut cost heavily... and pass to target the obsolete legacy motorization. After all with only 500Kj between breaking points hybrid tech is in no position to deliver a wining LMP1. And being 1º (first) in LMP2 perhaps can deliver more dividends than being 2º in LMP1(Audi 2010 luck is a think that only happens once or twice[more luck] in a decade- many times never happen).
How much media did Porches wins give compared to Audi's fights with Peugeot!?.

Manufactures will ONLY go to Lmp2 if they can win overall!, otherwise there is no PR in the victories.
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There is a lot of talk about hybrid tech,but actually Audi is not interessed to follow this way and I think the diesel will soon also be set aside for new projects that are at studio.
???... or!?... perhaps he knows[or hopes] that diesel is going to be abolished (BP/money talks lauder). Otherwise he can kiss good chances of overall victories goodbye(better to have a LMP2 then).
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