Stock Hatch 2000

[chris cake]

From Jan 2007 within the super series there will be a new S/H class.
STOCKHATCH 2000.
2000 cc multi valve ,Standard ecu, running on Kuhmo tyres (optional profiles) and a min weight limit of 920 kg including driver.

It is felt this is the time to move the stocks up the speed scale and bring in more makes and models of car.
More details contact RSS.

[chris cake]

Also from 2007 RSS will be called The Rallycross Open Championship .

[BertMk2]

So it will be a championship with points and one overall winner rather than a series of stand alone events?

[chris cake]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

So it will be a championship with points and one overall winner rather than a series of stand alone events?

yes .

Also a new one make group n mitsi evo challenge will take place.

[RXfan]

About time! Looking forward to seeing some different cars in rallycross. What cars does anyone think would be competitive in this new formula?

[BertMk2]

The way to go has got to be something like a Civic Type R, 200Bhp as standard

[chris cake]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

The way to go has got to be something like a Civic Type R, 200Bhp as standard

Sorry no Civics ( No varable valve timing)

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by chris cake

Sorry no Civics ( No varable valve timing)

Sneaky

[chris cake]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

Sneaky

Yer maybe but i wanted a multi manufacturer entry ,not one or two makes and models.

P.S . The Kuhmo's have been tried out . said to give the same grip as yoko's
but look to last miles longer.
Just ask Mel.

[bucko]

Originally Posted by chris cake

Yer maybe but i wanted a multi manufacturer entry ,not one or two makes and models.

P.S . The Kuhmo's have been tried out . said to give the same grip as yoko's
but look to last miles longer.
Just ask Mel.

i go along with that you know mine are 2 years old !! and still soft !!!!!!
thats the tyres that is and have done 6 -8 meetings with 6 tyres swopping them around

[silver bullet]

Originally Posted by chris cake

and a min weight limit of 920 kg including driver.

Is that a fixed weight limit accross the board, all makes and models.

[chris cake]

Originally Posted by silver bullet

Is that a fixed weight limit accross the board, all makes and models.

Yes David .

[bigted]

well a clio sport has 182 so that would be my choice

[silver bullet]

It's not just about BHP though. You have got to also look at gearing, handling, cost and availability of spares.
I have just had a look at the specs of three cars, one with 170BHP, one with 150BHP and one with 130BHP. Straight away I have discounted the one with 170 because of cost.

[rallycrosscraig]

this is great is we could have it in both series.

if its not in both series, it just fragments what we already have.

[leonidas]

Originally Posted by rallycrosscraig

this is great is we could have it in both series.
if its not in both series, it just fragments what we already have.

Yes, PLEASE lets make sure the Open championship's Stock 2000 and the BRCs Super Stocks run the same regs...

[rallycrosscraig]

and we need to have the same tyres for both series, different tyres, = bigger cost.

How about

old Clio Williams
306 GTI-6
Focus St170
Firdsta ST2.0
Puma 1.7

[Roundy Mooney]

Originally Posted by chris cake

From Jan 2007 within the super series there will be a new S/H class.
STOCKHATCH 2000.
2000 cc multi valve ,Standard ecu, running on Kuhmo tyres (optional profiles) and a min weight limit of 920 kg including driver.

It is felt this is the time to move the stocks up the speed scale and bring in more makes and models of car.
More details contact RSS.

I have been in favour of such a class for a while now and am happy that the proposed class has been put forward. But I do feel it is a bit useless, unless all parties come together and decide on the same regs across the board RSS/BRDA/IRXC. Without this the only losers will be drivers having to pay for different tyres or worse still end up with a useless car if one series takes of and the other dosen't.

Will the stock hatch rule of the model having to be at least 3 years old be used ?

[Spunky Munky]

Does it have to be as it left the factory, or can you put a MI16 engine in a 205?, 16v motor in a Nova?Etc
This would make more sense as the people with stockhatch 205's now, have got little work to do to move up and wont have to build a new car, therefore keeping the costs down.
And are they actually gonna be checked for legability or is it gonna be like Stockhatch is now, i.e. cheat until you are caught(LSD's!!, softer compouind tyres!,wrong ECUs inside the proper cases!) It happens! How many stockhatches have been checked this year?

[bigted]

It has to be as left the factory, with all the traction control and LSD etc taken off

[Roundy Mooney]

Originally Posted by Spunky Munky

And are they actually gonna be checked for legability or is it gonna be like Stockhatch is now, i.e. cheat until you are caught(LSD's!!, softer compouind tyres!,wrong ECUs inside the proper cases!) It happens! How many stockhatches have been checked this year?

On that subject does anyne know how many UK S/H's have been checked over the last few years. There are are least 3 to 4 Irish S/H's stripped and checked every year by MSI. But at the last event someone told me that it has been 3 years since a S/H in the UK has been checked. Surely this cannot be true !!



If you wanted you could drop the 1.9 8 valve into a 205 if they want to get into the class.

I don't now a huge amount about novas but did the late model ones of the box shape not come with the 2.0 from the factory ?

[RXfan]

From what has been said it appears it will be small hatchback cars, any chance that we might see a few bigger sized cars?

[silver bullet]

Originally Posted by rallycrosscraig

and we need to have the same tyres for both series, different tyres, = bigger cost.

How about

old Clio Williams
306 GTI-6
Focus St170
Firdsta ST2.0
Puma 1.7

The 3 year old rule still applies, so that rules out the Fiesta ST.

[Roundy Mooney]

I think if you look at Chris's first post you will see he said that multi valve is allowed, just not variable valve timing model cars.

I have to say I am one of the people who would have said it was better to leave out these VVT cars but someone I was talking to made a fair point on the matter. If you start out banning VVT does this not just rule out a large majority of models that can be used and are you just back to the same old situation ala S/H at present with one model dominating and were the new models that could be used are all 16v and 8 valve cars are becoming scarse.

You don't want to alienate existing competitors but new machinery is inevitable if you want classes to be substained.
This is why I think it is better that each model is given a individual weight and that success ballast is seriously looked at as the only way for a class to change and progress no matter what new technology is introduced.

While I do agree that this proper weight system would be the ideal way to go I think that in the current climate were there seems to be no clear direction (ie there needs to be one person in clear charge of what weight each car should be) and that there seems to be no obvious cordination between the organisers of the various championships. It may be safer just to keep it simple as regards regs and ban VVT.

[Chessmsport]

Originally Posted by chris cake

Sorry no Civics ( No varable valve timing)

So it will be like Stock Hatch with old model cars then !!!

Why can this class not be allowed a few mods LSD's etc so that it is a genuine step up from Stock Hatch to Super 2000 / Supernational / Modified, as it is all it will do is fragment the Stock Hatch class .