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Old 13 Jan 2016, 09:06 (Ref:3604317)   #1
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B-TEC Development Series News & Rumors 2016

Interesting new series - they run the old spec BTCC cars as preperation for young drivers. Rob Austin Racing will run both Audi A4 in the new series.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122457
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Old 13 Jan 2016, 09:24 (Ref:3604321)   #2
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Interesting new series - they run the old spec BTCC cars as preperation for young drivers. Rob Austin Racing will run both Audi A4 in the new series.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122457
Nice.
Is Anglesey new track or? Never heard of it.
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Old 13 Jan 2016, 09:27 (Ref:3604322)   #3
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Nice.
Is Anglesey new track or? Never heard of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglesey_Circuit
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Old 13 Jan 2016, 10:09 (Ref:3604329)   #4
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Interesting new series - they run the old spec BTCC cars as preperation for young drivers. Rob Austin Racing will run both Audi A4 in the new series.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122457
Ian Harrison reckons there will be about 12 cars, so that would be 2 Audi A4's, a few MG's I'd guess (Marc Hynes old car was up for sale recently), the 2 Eurotech Honda's from last year would be possibles, a fair few of Toyota's, maybe even a Proton!

Good use of the older cars and great chance for up and coming drivers, been hoping for this sort of series for a loooooooooonnnnnng time
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Old 13 Jan 2016, 10:12 (Ref:3604331)   #5
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Where's porsche962fan with a list? Good idea, it gives the teams income from what they thought was obsolete equipment.
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Old 13 Jan 2016, 10:18 (Ref:3604334)   #6
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Where's porsche962fan with a list? Good idea, it gives the teams income from what they thought was obsolete equipment.
Ooooh, I dare someone else to start one I would but don't want to steal his thunder
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Anglesey is The best race circuit in the country by a long way,and well worth the trip.
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I wonder if there is any option for a class for the S2000 cars and the NGTC engined S2000 cars.
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What is B-TEC an acronym for?

Bit of a stretch calling it a 'development series' as there's no link to TOCA or anything else else BTCC. Still, a good use of otherwise obsolete equipment and a chance for teams to recover a bit more of their investment.
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Anyone?

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What is B-TEC an acronym for?
  • Broke Touringcar Exiles Cup
  • British Trashing with Elderly Cars
  • Beyond Their Everlasting Crashes

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Ooooh, I dare someone else to start one I would but don't want to steal his thunder
someone else should do it

some possible leftovers , god for Jeff Smith, he can sell that old Toyota he had to buy

2 Audis
2 Civic
2 Proton
2 Toyotas
4 Passat
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Old 13 Jan 2016, 13:48 (Ref:3604373)   #14
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some possible leftovers , god for Jeff Smith, he can sell that old Toyota he had to buy

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Maybe the old Vauxhall and the old Neate Cruze, too?
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So no-one else thinks that BMR could expand their empire by running at least 2 of their Passats here?
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Maybe the old Vauxhall and the old Neate Cruze, too?
The Vauxhall's weren't NGTC they were S2000 with TOCA engines so wouldn't be eligible. The old Neate Cruze is still being raced by PMR, it went from Neate to Laser Tools & then on to PMR.

I do think that unless someone buys them all for BTCC we'll see BMR running some CC's possibly with Ashley Sutton behind the wheel! Interesting to see the Scott was involved with H and Richard Austin in setting this up. I can see both a 888 & BMR development team.

Who knows we may even see ES Racing & Mr James join the party ' AV' IT'
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The Thorney Vauxhalls were NGTC....
Remember the shells with cages will probably still exist, so there's the two Insignias, the Toyota Power Maxed bought, the Cruze hatchback, possibly four VWs, possibly three MGs, the two Protons, the ex Wrathall / Morgan / Wood Toyota, the Audis and probably more Toyota shells out there.
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The Thorney Vauxhalls were NGTC....
Remember the shells with cages will probably still exist, so there's the two Insignias, the Toyota Power Maxed bought, the Cruze hatchback, possibly four VWs, possibly three MGs, the two Protons, the ex Wrathall / Morgan / Wood Toyota, the Audis and probably more Toyota shells out there.
Good point how could I forget about the Insignia's (sorry Thorney), the only issue with all the shells is the cost of kitting them back out, though there will be plenty of GPRM spares about now! It really depends if people have kept the shells & the spares, let's hope so!
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Looking forward to this, which cars would we say are currently out of the BTCC that would be eligable?

2 x RAR Audi A4
2 x Welch Proton Persona
4 x BMR VW CC
2 x BMR/Hard/Thorney Vauxhall Insignia
1 x Quantel BiFold MG 6GT
1 x Infiniti SOPR Infiniti Q50
2 x Eurotech Honda Civic
1 x JWTP/Houseman Toyota Avensis

Assuming none of them have been cannibalised like the ex UA Avensis for the one PMR Chevy and the Cruze hatch for the other PMR Cruze, or just been scrapped. Looking forward to seeing the drivers in this, would be good if it acted like the old Group N championship's in bringing through future BTCC stars. Maybe someone like Jake Hill or Dave Newsham who seemingly don't have the budget for a full BTCC season? Or folk with a bit of money but who can't commit to a full BTCC campaign, like Andy Neate?

I know Scottish BMW Compact Cup champ' Steven Dailly was keen to fill in for Hunter Abbott at Knockhill, perhaps people like him who've had a great deal of success at a lower level?

They better have a round at Knockhill lined up...the Junior Saloon Car Championship and SuperTCC are both debuting this year, so this would top the lot.

This is fun!
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Hmm.... not sure I see the point.

Since its limited to GPRM-running gear, chassis availability will be rather low and that's assuming that all cars built to the rules will find their way into this series. They even admit as much when they say that they only expect around 12 cars.

Will they run on their own or will they have to share the grid with other series? IIRC conventional wisdom has it that you need around an 18 car field to get anywhere near covering your track rental fees in most club racing series, else your competitors need to pay more for their tracktime than they would in comparable series.

And then, there's the elephant in the room: TCR - I see very little point in picking this over TCR, a class that seems to be positively exploding in the Benelux and Germany right now and with similar, perhaps even lower running costs.
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It's good that there is a place for old touring cars to race rather than simply mouldering in a garage somewhere, but this looks like a club-level series with a spangly development frock. I'd rather see a TCR series established to feed into the BTCC, but perhaps they would be too close in concept.
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I like the idea but not sure older NGTC cars are the right choice.
Something like VW Cup technical rules would be more logical.
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What I can see cars or shells lying around that may be of use
Team dynamics old hatchs from 2012/2013 still complete or shell form x3
Team dynamics tourers from 2014 complete or shell form x2
Eurotechs civic hatch from 2012 to 2015 x2
888 mg from 2012 to 2015 x3
Welsh protons 2011 to 2015 x2
Austins Audi A4 2011 to 2015 x2 complete X1 shell
There's from what I can see x4 avensis lying either complete or shell form
Power maxed Chevy hatch shell X1
Thorney insignia shells x2

There 22 above and that's not getting to the passat cc,Infiniti etc that could find there way in

Still good to see another touring car series to the ngtc rules getting a go

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I like the idea but not sure older NGTC cars are the right choice.
Something like VW Cup technical rules would be more logical.
maybe the idea was to generate cash for the teams and being NO COST for car building/buying since they already exist and paid for

AKA no investment required, young drivers just pay for running costs
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A few more details from Motorsport News:
- GPRM components only
- Swindon engine only (310bhp. Don't know if that's the same spec as used in BTCC)
- Single set of gear ratios for all rounds
- Dunlop tyres (again, doesn't say if that same compound as BTCC)
- max 12 tyres per round, 8x new + 4x carried over from previous round
- 40-min practice + 30-min qualifying on Sat, 2x 30-min races on Sunday
- TV coverage at minimum 2 rounds
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