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Old 26 Jun 2017, 12:53 (Ref:3746950)   #51
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Daniel Ricciardo still dominating Max Crashstappen in 2017 I see
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 13:15 (Ref:3746960)   #52
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I see what you did there. Very witty.
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 14:16 (Ref:3746967)   #53
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 17:27 (Ref:3747038)   #54
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Daniel Ricciardo still dominating Max Crashstappen in 2017 I see
Mate, i know you are desperately trying to get a response so i will bite, you are absolutely deluded if you are writing that with the slightest hint of conviction, and if you are then i am sure you are the only person on this forum who thinks that.
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 20:39 (Ref:3747108)   #55
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Max has been so unlucky this season, so there has never been a fair comparison IMHO
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 23:31 (Ref:3747136)   #56
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Max is the reason his car keeps breaking down
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 23:46 (Ref:3747138)   #57
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How do you reckon that one?
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Old 27 Jun 2017, 06:33 (Ref:3747192)   #58
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Perhaps MV is too hard on the car? A different driving style to Ricciardo perhaps?

I did read something last year where Horner said Max is a little too harsh and asks more from the car than it's capable of. But then again, which driver doesn't ask more from their car than it's capable of?
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Old 27 Jun 2017, 11:15 (Ref:3747254)   #59
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I was wondering the same - is it a driving style thing? surely with the propeller heads in the back this would have been pointed out if its true. whether the pilot listens or not is another factor....
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Old 27 Jun 2017, 11:47 (Ref:3747260)   #60
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Perhaps MV is too hard on the car? A different driving style to Ricciardo perhaps?

I did read something last year where Horner said Max is a little too harsh and asks more from the car than it's capable of. But then again, which driver doesn't ask more from their car than it's capable of?
So build a car that can keep up with the prodigious talent of verstappen then?
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So build a car that can keep up with the prodigious talent of verstappen then?
Maybe Ferrari will...
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Old 27 Jun 2017, 17:46 (Ref:3747374)   #62
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Hmm, I think we're detecting an overdose of whimsy and rose-tinteds clouding any real evidence....
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Old 27 Jun 2017, 19:00 (Ref:3747401)   #63
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Hmm, I think we're detecting an overdose of whimsy and rose-tinteds clouding any real evidence....
Not really bothered if true or not. Still happy Danny Ric is dominating his team mate. Results matter on Sunday right?
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Not really bothered if true or not. Still happy Danny Ric is dominating his team mate. Results matter on Sunday right?
The one thing that is true is that 'dominating' is a bizarre description to use. But then again, this is F1 and we see polarisation of views either in favour of or against drivers all the time. The rest of the season however, will show whether or not the tint on your specs is something which should cause you to visit your local optician - or not.......
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Old 27 Jun 2017, 20:51 (Ref:3747455)   #65
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I continue to think what I thought before.

I read how Max should be beaten easily. I read how Daniel should be beaten easily. Yet I see them closely matched with no one dominating. Therefore both must be rubbish.
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Old 28 Jun 2017, 13:37 (Ref:3747593)   #66
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Not really bothered if true or not. Still happy Danny Ric is dominating his team mate. Results matter on Sunday right?

the only reason Ric has more points is plain luck, or the bad luck that Max has.

who was the driver in front every time Max car failed?
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Old 28 Jun 2017, 13:48 (Ref:3747598)   #67
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the only reason Ric has more points is plain luck, or the bad luck that Max has.

who was the driver in front every time Max car failed?
Whilst this is true is Max somehow contributing to his higher rate of car failures? Is it something different in the way he drives that has resulted in the failures?
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Old 28 Jun 2017, 14:03 (Ref:3747602)   #68
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Whilst this is true is Max somehow contributing to his higher rate of car failures? Is it something different in the way he drives that has resulted in the failures?
impossible

a battery failure like in Canada can't be caused by a driving style, and in Baku the engine overheated because of debris.
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Old 28 Jun 2017, 14:22 (Ref:3747603)   #69
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Not again this story of being hard on the car... it might contribute to fuel efficiency, but the discussion was already decided in JPM's time (plenty of threads on this here in the forum): the driver can hardly break the car anymore due to rev limiters and similar protections within the systems.
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found myself a bit surprised by this but RB has fallen behind Mclaren in race laps completed this year mainly due to the failures that MV has experienced. Max has also completed less laps then any other driver this year (with the exception of the one race stand ins).

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...1-2017-924077/

how much of it is down to 'bad luck' and how much of it down to driving style is beyond my reckoning though.

i have heard it said he does have a tendency to drive the car outside its limits but from what i see on the TV he doesnt seem like he has a particularly 'harsh' driving style...aggressive sure but thats not really the same thing is it?

to me he seems like he is on a run of bad luck.
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Now that is something if you are behind McLaren in terms of laps completed. Even his retirement in Spain due to accident damage weren't his fault
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Not again this story of being hard on the car... it might contribute to fuel efficiency, but the discussion was already decided in JPM's time (plenty of threads on this here in the forum): the driver can hardly break the car anymore due to rev limiters and similar protections within the systems.
Not entirely true - whilst engine overrevs, shoddy gearchanges and the like are history some drivers are clearly harder on cars than others. This can range from the basic stuff like being able to look after tyres (or not) to drivers that consistently batter the kerbs and end up with more suspension / drivetrain issues as a result, those that eat their brakes and so on. So it's not as big a factor as it was but different drivers still put different stress and strain on the cars. Massa's damper failure being an example - too hard over the kerbs?
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Now that is something if you are behind McLaren in terms of laps completed. Even his retirement in Spain due to accident damage weren't his fault
Even more impressive when McLaren have had a DNS as well.....
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the only reason Ric has more points is plain luck, or the bad luck that Max has.

who was the driver in front every time Max car failed?
Discounting the fact that Daniel has had car issues too. Max has run out of talent. Move aside Honey Badger has come to town!

Thanks Max but he'll take it from here.
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Not again this story of being hard on the car... it might contribute to fuel efficiency, but the discussion was already decided in JPM's time (plenty of threads on this here in the forum): the driver can hardly break the car anymore due to rev limiters and similar protections within the systems.
Although I remember a theory that JPM's Williams did apparently cause other cars to crash into the back of him!
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