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Old 4 Mar 2006, 18:16 (Ref:1536238)   #1
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Mix and match?

Question: Jim Crawford won the British Formula One Championship in 1982 in an Ensign; the car was subsequently modified to comply with Can Am regulations, and Crawford won a couple of races with it. Is this a unique achievement? I've racked my brains to come up with anyone else who's won with the same car in two distinct series.
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Old 4 Mar 2006, 23:36 (Ref:1536394)   #2
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You could be right.

I can't think of any crossover wins between F5000 in 1976 and Can-Am in 1977. How about Clark in a Lotus 49 in both F1 and Tasman? Or Stewart in a BRM?

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Old 6 Mar 2006, 10:42 (Ref:1537179)   #3
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David Purley, Chevron B30 in F5000 and G8. This may be stretching things a little ! Or how about Brise with his March 733 in F3 and FAt, the same car I think.
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Old 6 Mar 2006, 12:19 (Ref:1537248)   #4
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A topical one, what about Brian Robinsons B48 and Andy Barton March 802, which both won as 'GT' cars after winning as Libres.
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Old 6 Mar 2006, 12:36 (Ref:1537260)   #5
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There's been a few machines that have swapped between outright single seater and special GT/Saloon specs, i think Ron Cumming was mentioned recently as he had a March 822/832 that turned into an Espirt then back again or something, which i think he won races with in both guises.

Perhaps not as 'advanced' but i'm fairly positive that a couple of guys won stuff in one form of saloon racing and then uprtaed those cars substantially to win in more pwerful classes as well?

Simon Light and his Capri is probably one of them (road saloons upto mod prods?)

I'm sure there was a Rover that began as a prodsloon and ended up as a much more powerful modsaloon or something (Trevor Lewis??)
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Old 6 Mar 2006, 12:57 (Ref:1537274)   #6
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Not championship winners but how about the 1972 Gordon Murray designed 'Duckhams Special' Le Mans prototype, which later became the Colin Hawker driven, Toleman sponsored Supersaloon DFVW? Now restored back to Duckhams Special spec.
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Old 6 Mar 2006, 13:06 (Ref:1537280)   #7
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Going back over 50 years:

Several of the 1952-53 Formula 2 Cooper-Bristols were converted into successful club racing sports cars.

And the 1952 Le Mans winning Talbot may also have run in Grands Prix and possibly even won.
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Old 6 Mar 2006, 16:13 (Ref:1537336)   #8
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That's right D-Type, back in the fifties a number of Cooper Bristols were turned into sports cars, notably the Ferrari lookalike of Alan Brown and Alex McMillan's nifty conversion. Also back then Tony Crook regularly raced his Le Mans Replica Frazer Nash in sports car races and, with the mudguards removed in F2 and Libre events. Both cars still race today.
Can any one put more flesh on this one? The Xerex Special a sports car built from an F1 Cooper Climax and raced by American Roger Penske (?) well known in his day. He brought it over and raced at Brands hatch and upset the Brits who thought it was cheating a bit. Well it did win I believe.

Horace Richards raced a single seater HAR Riley in the fifities and whatever formula you had it was entered in F1 F2 F Libre. I think he had an engine for all occasions.
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The Zerex was a former F1 Cooper lowline (T53) but Penske only won sports car races with it; he never won a F1 race with it. However, he may have won a race with it in open wheel form in US libre racing in 1962 so it might qualify.

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Whoops- that should be the 1950 Lago-Talbot not 1952

Penske's Zerex started life as a Cunningham-entered 4-cylinder 1.5 litre Formula 1 Cooper. It was crashed and badly damaged at the US GP and Penske built his car up from the remains, substituting a 2.7 litre Climax. The Zerex Special was built to comply with the letter of the rules for a US sports car series, for example it had a central seat and a miniscule passenger seat under a flap. I'll have a look in Doug Nye's Cooper Cars when I get home tonight for more details
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Not race winners by a fair margin, but I have just been reminded that various F1 cars from Williams, Arrows and Tyrell where entered into the F3000 series in 85. In 86 a RAM was entered, was this a former F1 car as well?

I remember the Tyrells from Thruxton, but can't recall the others.
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Not race winners by a fair margin, but I have just been reminded that various F1 cars from Williams, Arrows and Tyrell where entered into the F3000 series in 85. In 86 a RAM was entered, was this a former F1 car as well?

I remember the Tyrells from Thruxton, but can't recall the others.
Yes the RAM was an ex-F1 chassis.

All seemed to struggle in F3000 or maybe it was just the quality of the drivers!
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The only driver I can remember who was reasonably quick was Roberto Moreno in a Tyrrell
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The only driver I can remember who was reasonably quick was Roberto Moreno in a Tyrrell
About right,

A few teams kicked off using the last of the DFV powered F1 chassis but either packed it in or bought pukka 3000 chassis after about a third of the season.

Barron ran Moreno and Langes in Tyrrell 012's for a while.

Peter McIntosh ran one or two Williams FWO8C's for Thierry Tassin (and somebody else?) but they were poor and Tassin cleared off to drive a March for EJR i think...

There may have been another team running Tyrrell and another running Williams' as well?

As for the Arrows and RAM, I can't remember if they actually got a race - Ruper Keegan and Kenny Acheson were slated to drive one of them i think?

Bernard 'The Driver' raced one of those ex F1 chassis i'm sure.
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Can't find any reference to the RAM, but the other 'F1' entries that year were:

PMC (Williams) - Thierry Tassin, Lamberto Leoni
Barron (Tyrrell) - Roberto Moreno, Claudio Langes
Cowman (Arrows) - Slim Borgudd

In addition to those, there were the following 'no shows' (ie those who posted an official race entry):

Cowman (Arrows) - Bob Evans
Ekstrom (Williams) - Eric Lang
Barron (Tyrrell) - Adrian Campos
Dywa (the ex-Aurora F1 car, as discussed on the 'Dywa/Surtees' thread) - Peo Consonni

Leoni was the only driver to register a decent finish (3rd at Pau), but he moved over to race a March by the end of the year.
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In addition to those, there were the following 'no shows' (ie those who posted an official race entry):

Cowman (Arrows) - Bob Evans
Ekstrom (Williams) - Eric Lang
Barron (Tyrrell) - Adrian Campos
Dywa (the ex-Aurora F1 car, as discussed on the 'Dywa/Surtees' thread) - Peo Consonni

Leoni was the only driver to register a decent finish (3rd at Pau), but he moved over to race a March by the end of the year.
Nice bit of history, like it!

The Dwya, yes i thought of it briefly when i saw the other thread couple of weeks ago but didn't make the link the the abortive F3000 effort!
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