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Old 15 Nov 2007, 10:53 (Ref:2067899)   #91
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Yes, I agree there, climb. At some point the person has to either retire or find a new challenge if not within the series than in a different one.
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Old 15 Nov 2007, 12:59 (Ref:2067988)   #92
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Yes, I agree there, climb. At some point the person has to either retire or find a new challenge if not within the series than in a different one.
which is pretty much what I said earlier

I do not see this to be the huge blow that people are saying it is. I think people are just using it as an excuse to have yet another pop at the IRL

it's old, it's boring and it isn't constructive

Good luck to Sam in NASCAR and IRL will move on.....

Simple as that, get on with it...
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Old 16 Nov 2007, 00:41 (Ref:2068489)   #93
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Nothing surprising in this feature really; I still keep my opinion that a demotivated champ collecting disappointing placements is no good for a series.

Who knows what he could have pulled out in the 08 season though? For example Franchitti coming from nowhere from 06.

A demotivated Hornish Jr, a multiple champion and 2006 Indy champion probably still does more in attractive casual race fans and media stories than Briscoe, Dixon, Mutoh or Lloyd.
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Franchitti is a different story; as i told before, He had any intention to retire, but the unexpected 2007 convinced him to keep on driving.

Hornish, on the contgrary is still young and has, via Penske organisation, a chance to go Nascar, then I don't believe that, had he stayed one more year in IRL, he would have found unpredictable motivations.

His aim is Nascar, we've known it for years.

About appeal to casual fans, you're easily right, but had Panther followed the same reasoning about Sam 5 yrs ago....

More in general, drivers are expected to pass by, IRL's strenght is in their major teams, which are staying

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Franchitti is a different story; as i told before, He had any intention to retire, but the unexpected 2007 convinced him to keep on driving.
The franchitti example was more used to say, who says Hornish was not going to be competitive and fighting for the championship in 08.


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Really ?

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About appeal to casual fans, you're easily right, but had Panther followed the same reasoning about Sam 5 yrs ago....
There is a difference between a home grown american and a sportscar driving Australian though

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IRL's strenght is in their major teams, which are staying
Surely the drivers are the stars. While obviously the resources of Penske, Ganassi and AGR are a strength, I dont think that this is comparative to star drivers.
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There is a "credibility factor" that goes with having strong, recognizable teams though. Getting a drive with Penske, Ganassi or AGR is part of what defines a driver as a "star."

The implication is that being with an established, winning team means that you have the goods. Fans take notice of things like that...
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Franchitti is a different story; as i told before, He had any intention to retire, but the unexpected 2007 convinced him to keep on driving.

Hornish, on the contgrary is still young and has, via Penske organisation, a chance to go Nascar, then I don't believe that, had he stayed one more year in IRL, he would have found unpredictable motivations.

His aim is Nascar, we've known it for years.

About appeal to casual fans, you're easily right, but had Panther followed the same reasoning about Sam 5 yrs ago....

More in general, drivers are expected to pass by, IRL's strenght is in their major teams, which are staying
yep, of the 4 big teams in the states (Penske, AGR, Ganassi and NHL) the IRL has three of them and that is where the strength is, thats going to amount 9 very strong cars next season and plus we await to see what Panther and Rahal bring to to the table, the Patron car had strong spells last season and I think the #8 team will step it up more in 2008, be great to see Sharpie in victory lane again.

It was first mentioned around 2003 that Hornish was interested in NASCAR but opted to stay in the IRL moving from Panther to Penske, it's worked out well for him that Penske has been able to move him into his NASCAR cup team

Like i've said before, way to much has been made of this and although it doesn't surprise me given the motives of various people I believe we have now more than exhausted this topic
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There is a "credibility factor" that goes with having strong, recognizable teams though. Getting a drive with Penske, Ganassi or AGR is part of what defines a driver as a "star."
Definitely. But people like Dixon, Kanaan, Herta and arent stars because of those teams. They are talented drivers, no doubt but not household stars that AOW is crying out for.

Briscoe and Mutoh because they are driving for Penske and AGR respectively are not going to be stars or attract serious attention, even if they start winning.


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The implication is that being with an established, winning team means that you have the goods. Fans take notice of things like that...
Do they in 2007? Enthusiasts do for sure, but general fans a) dont understand b) dont recognise and c) dont care.

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I did not say they automatically become stars because of who they drive for. The quality of the team is just on piece of the perception puzzle that fans put together to determine who the "stars" are.
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