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Old 29 Oct 2007, 07:43 (Ref:2053817)   #31
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But if Matsuura doesnt have the sponsorship, is there another driver with a budget that can take over that car.

Or the other option I guess would be a 1 car operation
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Old 31 Oct 2007, 18:16 (Ref:2056109)   #32
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get that from inside track?
I don't know what inside track is Luke. I don't consider your post an attack.
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Old 2 Nov 2007, 21:25 (Ref:2058194)   #33
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But if Matsuura doesnt have the sponsorship, is there another driver with a budget that can take over that car.

Or the other option I guess would be a 1 car operation
Panther is currently working their rolodex really hard to find funding for the second car. It's a similar situation to where they were in 2006 to find funding for their first car and they got it done.

There are also a few drivers out there who reportedly have some sort of budget set up for themselves so you might see some combination of driver and team funding to get that car on track. From a driver standpoint, it has to be one of the better available seats in the league at this point, especially for an inexperienced driver to have such a great teammate in vitor.
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Old 4 Nov 2007, 01:21 (Ref:2058994)   #34
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Panther is currently working their rolodex really hard to find funding for the second car. It's a similar situation to where they were in 2006 to find funding for their first car and they got it done.
How much more stuff do they have to sell ?


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There are also a few drivers out there who reportedly have some sort of budget set up for themselves so you might see some combination of driver and team funding to get that car on track.
Hmmm yeah but when a series is relying of pay drivers its not really a sign of a positive future or so I have been told.
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Old 4 Nov 2007, 14:00 (Ref:2059296)   #35
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Oh dear

Looks like DRT is going on the attack after being reminded of the problems in Kevin Kalkhoven Car, sorry, I mean Champ Car!

Champ car yes, it's an easy mistake to make you know!
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Not going on the attack at all. But if one is critisized for seeking pay drivers, should the same argument not be applied to another
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Old 4 Nov 2007, 14:57 (Ref:2059322)   #37
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I think it has been shown that one series is much more dependent on pay drivers than the other. When the "business model" is constructed around having a pay driver and there exists a revolving door to make early, mid and late season exits form the teams more expedient, then there is an extreme that has been reached. Calling oneself a premier series when the first and foremost question is how much budget a driver is bringing beggars belief.

Certainly, drivers bringing a budget to a team is not limited to any series, up to and including F1. However, I think it has been shown in the past here that the IRL is not free of this, nor do they have an inordinate number of pay drivers on the grid. I do nto think the IRL is as bad in this regard as other open wheel and sports car categories.
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Point being it is still an issue, one that can fluctuate from season to season. A big example of this in the IRL and its changes in fortune since its inception.

Its good to see that we can agree that pay drivers in any series is not a sign of strength, being equally pessimistic of course.
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Old 4 Nov 2007, 15:06 (Ref:2059330)   #39
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You seem to like walking the line between being merely sarcastic and attacking the poster...
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What does this have to do with this topic? This sure is the AOWR war here.
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Its good to see that we can agree that pay drivers in any series is not a sign of strength, being equally pessimistic of course.
Yes, but one thing is a team relying on pay drivers, another one is a series relying on them....
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Someone has to get the ball rolling climb. Mutoh is another interesting discussion point.

Point being is do what you have to in order to survive.
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Old 6 Nov 2007, 11:01 (Ref:2061025)   #43
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So is that what the "point" is? To survive? Not thrive?

The fact that CC relies on pay drivers to the extent that you have driver changes not only between seasons, but between races tells me that the only people really interested in the series are drivers who want to fatten a CV.

The sponsors sure as heck could care less.
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So is that what the "point" is? To survive? Not thrive?
Survive before you thrive john. I think the IRL was a good example of that from the early 90's to 03 - 05 period before losing Toyota and Chevy.

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Old 6 Nov 2007, 12:10 (Ref:2061091)   #45
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the seat changing in champ car has been a joke this season

and certain people's views on the IRL in here are laughable and it's because they are worrying about their own series so are attacking this one, it's very very sad but it doesn't surprise me

a shame
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