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Old 12 Jul 2003, 08:25 (Ref:659387)   #1
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Superbike World Championship effectively dead

Read this link......

http://www.amasuperbike.com/2003-Jul/030710black.htm

Not good news Lets hope this can be sorted out
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Old 12 Jul 2003, 21:13 (Ref:659697)   #2
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Damn, does that mean that Honda, Aprilia, Kawasaki and Yamaha are going to stick with MotoGP from now on? Ah well, at least I have the 2001 and 2002 reviews on DVD - the good old days.
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Old 12 Jul 2003, 23:50 (Ref:659763)   #3
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What a shame, I really enjoyed 1999 - 2001
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 00:10 (Ref:659771)   #4
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Any chance that this is an attempt to make FIM change their mind?

Or am I just dreaming the impossible?
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 02:28 (Ref:659811)   #5
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 02:32 (Ref:659813)   #6
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Doesn't sound good at all? Sounds like someone is trying to play power-politics with the manufacturers. And that someone is not going to win...
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 10:15 (Ref:659913)   #7
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Its been coming for a while,why waste your time in a Championship when the rules are biased towards one particular manufacturer.

Its just a pity because the Suzuki was starting to look promising, but what were the rule changes they are talking about going to be.
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 10:45 (Ref:659937)   #8
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Anyone else could build a 1,000cc twin if they wanted. Honda did. They won the championship with it. Twice. Apprilia did. They won races. Chris Walker nearly beat Hodgson on a 750 Suzuki in the BSB - he even won more races! Haga should have beaten Edwards on a 750 Yamaha. Now the 4-cylinder bikes have an extra 250cc and they're still whining about Ducati?

The reason the different engine sizes for different engines was used was because theoretically a 1,000 4-cylinder bike will be able to get more power than a 1,000 twin. Same principle with Supersport, where the 600 fours thrash the 750 twins. Back in the old days, 750 fours and 1,000 twins got about the same power - now everyone whines because Ducatis are simply good. It's the Ferrari syndrome: "They can't just be that good, it must be biased toward them!" Ducatis are just damn good, because if it was just about a 1,000 twin, why did they still seem invincible? Why couldn't Aprillia mount a serious challenge? Why did Edwards not thrash Haga's R7 when he had a brand-new twin? Why did he seem the underdog against Bayliss all last year?

Suzuki are mounting a serious challenge. The bikes in Britain are beating the Ducatis now. If Kawasaki brought out a bike that wasn't about a million years old they might have a chance - but judging from their Moto GP efforts, maybe not!


It's cowardice. Almighty Honda win the world championship and then refuse to defend it, because the rules are biased against them? How can they be when their bikes is the same type as the Duke, running to the same rules? If the Rizzla team can do it, why won't the other teams? Why not put some factory effort into it?


But I say this - The 500 GP class shouldn't have gone to 4-strokes. I said at the time (on another forum) it would hurt SBK. But really there are too many top riders in GPs now and not enough top bikes. GP bikes are prototypes and not road bikes - in SBK you can watch a bike that you can own going round the track. You can take yours to a track day if you want - where's the marketting opportunites in Moto GP?
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 12:21 (Ref:659972)   #9
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Here's how i see it:

Agree Rambo, the GP's should've stayed 500cc two stroke.

The only reason the 4 cylinder 750s weren't competitive in 01 & 02 is because Suzuki and Kawasaki didn't put in the same effort that those with the twins were. Honda were competitive with the RC45, and Haga on the Yamaha nearly won it in 2000, there was no unfair advantage, just that the one's doing a serious job had the twins. Kawasaki still had the same bloody bike they had in 1996!

The same is happening this year, Suzuki buggered it up for themselves. They were the one's who decided what, 3 weeks before Valencia, that they would afterall race, and that rather than build a race bike up from scratch, lets just let them convert a roadbike, and we'll only back one rider to start with (ok they added a second bike, but it's only a kitted one).

My tip to save the thing - keep the restrictors on the 4 cylinders, and make a rule that all bikes must be kitted bikes, not factory built race bikes.
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Old 13 Jul 2003, 12:23 (Ref:659973)   #10
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Here's what the Flammini Group have to say (from www.worldsbk.com)

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On the 9th July, the FIM - Federation Internationale Motorcicliste and FGSPORT decided to adopt a new set of rules for the FIM SUPERBIKE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, rules that have been harmonized with the AMA and British Superbike Championships and that are in the course to be adopted by :


- The FIM Superbike World Championship;
- The FIM Endurance World Championship;
- The AMA Superbike Championship ;
- The British Superbike Championship;
- The Italian Superbike Championship


Among the others, most probably, also DMSB will use them for the German National Motorcycle Top Series.


In consideration of all the above, we are glad to communicate the targets that we wish to achieve with those decisions :


• GLOBALIZATION : the great consensus achieved from so many partners of different countries is the best demonstration that the new rules are well designed and will therefore accelerate the development of the SUPERBIKE Class, Worldwide. One of the most important advantages generated with this situation is the possibility for the Teams to buy and sell their equipments in a huge market.


• AFFORDABLE COSTS : the current World economic situation suggested to create a regulation which makes easier for the participants to buy the necessary technology at an affordable price and with a high level availability.
This means to obtain “FULLGRID”.
Furthermore, such a regulation will create great opportunities for the “AFTERMARKET “.


• FAIR CONDITIONS FOR EVERYBODY : one of the most important goals of this regulation is to balance the performances among « PRIVATE and OFFICIAL TEAMS ».
The SUPERBIKE CLASS philosophy has been since the beginning : “Great Show and Controlled Costs”, something that offers to everybody the possibility to be competitive.


• LONG TERM VALIDITY OF THE RULES : in order to stabilize the SUPERBIKE CLASS the rules will be valid in the long term.


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• The AIR RESTRICTOR RULES : in order to mantain a sufficient level of performances, notwithstanding the limitation of the air-intake, the air-restrictor rules requested from the Manufacturers, need much freedom in the engine tuning.
This gives green light to the use of sophisticated technologies which cause high costs to the participants and diminishes the availability of tuned motorcycles in the market.
It is also important to underline that already during his press conference on the 21st of May, the FIM President, Francesco Zerbi, at the presence of the MSMA Representatives and the Promoters Representatives, announced the need to adopt different rules in order to safeguard the interest of the sport.
The new set of rules that will be adopted, by allowing an easier and wide access to the Superbike class, which will be nearer to the production motorcycles, will certainly represent a major step forward in the development of the motorcycle sport worldwide and in the general interest of all the parties involved.
I do like their motives for this though, which is to create a set of rules which are exactly the same for the World Championship, as well as in Britain, USA, Italy, Germany, France, maybe even this will encourage the Australian Championship to go back to FIM rules.

Lets hope the FIM and the manufacturers can kiss and make up.

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Old 13 Jul 2003, 23:13 (Ref:660274)   #11
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Damn, does that mean that Honda, Aprilia, Kawasaki and Yamaha are going to stick with MotoGP from now on?
After watching the Donington MotoGP and the Laguna Seca WSBK Race 1, there was no comparison. The WSBK race was clearly more competitive with more overtaking and not just a clear victor. It would be a real shame to be just left with RossiGP.
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Old 14 Jul 2003, 13:24 (Ref:660669)   #12
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I think this new rule came little too late. When was the last time inline 4 won? You can say they didn't try hard enough, but is it worth to spend extra money to compete against twins in WSBK, which is just a production series? Honda could afford, but others simply couldn't.
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Old 14 Jul 2003, 16:14 (Ref:660851)   #13
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What's wrong with a production series? Touring Cars are more fun to watch than F1, aren't they?

Suzuki have had 3 wins on the trot in the British championship, and Lavillia and the british Wildcards came close to winning at Silverstone. The AMA wildcards at Laguna Seca showed the Suzukis were certainly competetive. If Suzuki can do it, Yamaha and Kawasaki can, too, surely? As for Honda - I hold them in utter contempt. If any team has the resources to put the effort into beating Ducati, it's Honda, but they'd rather stick to the series they're dominating in and always have done - the GP bikes.


Having a single, global set of rules can only help things because manufacturers can develop one bike to race in all the different series - which can only help cut costs, surely?
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We already have regional superbike series like AMA, British, and all japan with factory involvement. In North america, it is American honda who supports and pay for factory team in AMA. They pushed Nicky, AMA champion, over Edwards to promote him to GP. The north america accounts for more than half of hondas overall mortorcycle sales, so their opinion weigh with honda. I've heard there was big debate over who should pay for the cost of participating in wsbk at honda. They eventually decided not to participate this year. WSBK wants to be global, but the manufactures are regionalized. Nobody wants to pay for Wsbk unless it is really attractive in marketing or offer some technical challenge different than regional superbike like motogp.
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There are too many Egos involved for this to be worked out peacefully................. someones gonna have to go.. !!!
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