Lola T 60 & 62

[Roger H]

Rob
Just another thought. If your car had injection then there should be a hole in the dash for an additional instrument. The fuel pressure gauge.
Roger

[Bryan Miller]

Rob./Roger.

The car may also have had the same as my BT35 which is injected , i.e. rare as whatever , 2 dual guages , 1 for oil press./ temp and one for fuel press/ oil temp.

Bryan.

[Andrew Kitson]

Originally posted by rkshanahan
I tried to post photos and failed, hopefully Andrew will have more luck with them.
Rob

OK Rob, let's try to post these photos for you. Hope this works. First one -holes.

[Andrew Kitson]

Second one shows the mounts.

[rkshanahan]

Bryan/Roger,
Thanks for your help on this point. I checked my car and it has 4 small gauges for oil temp., water temp., oil press., and fuel press. The fuel press. gauge is 0-10 psi. and seems to match the other gauges, but if it were replaced back in '67 I wouldn't be able to tell. I checked my photos of 62-11 and it has the same arrangement, so I imagine that F2 and F3 had the same arrangement with different scale fuel press. gauges.

I was dissapointed to see in the photos of 62-11 that it does indeed have Lucas FI fuel pump mounts on its chassis, despite the recollection of the restorer, so I guess the F3 cars had them as well. It seems to me that maybe only cars built after the advent of FI would have had them, say from 60-4 on. I will be most interested to hear from Mr. Denty.

Thanks, everyone, for all your help on this! I have learned more in the last week than in the previous 10 years!

Rob

[rkshanahan]

Andrew,
Thanks for posting those photos for me. The first one shows the holes in the body work panel, which line up under the rear carb in a Lotus Twin-Cam installation. The second photo shows how the mounts are attached to the tub. These match exactly with the photos I have of 62-11.

Rob

[Bryan Miller]

Rob.

My BT535 runs Lucas injection as I stated , but the std. fuel pressure on these model Lucas units is 120-140 p.s.i.

Maybe someone can advise if the same pressure range was used on the 1.0 litre SCA and BRM units.

Bryan.

[rkshanahan]

Bryan,
I should have been more conplete in my explanation about the fuel pressure gauge. Carbs run from 2-7 psi fuel pressure and Lucas FI runs 150 psi., but the gauges look identical with the scale being the only difference. If someone converted an F2 car to a Twin-cam, they would just replace the fuel pressure gauge with the lower scale unit.

Something else that was pointed out to me is that the drive for the 10,000rpm tach is 2:1 and the drive ratio for the 12,000rpm is 4:1, so the two are not interchangeable. Someone converting an F2 car to a Twin-cam would most likely have just changed the tach rather than trying to convertt the drives on the engine.

Rob

[ROBSL]

Have heard from Dave Morgan who recalls his car was the Pittard car. Seems strange to think that anything salvagable came from that inferno! Does anyone have info on that crash?
ROBSL

[Rob29]

Originally posted by ROBSL
Have heard from Dave Morgan who recalls his car was the Pittard car. Seems strange to think that anything salvagable came from that inferno! Does anyone have info on that crash?
ROBSL

From memory I don't think it was a crash. The car caught fire on the grid.EVERYONE wore fireproof overalls after that.

[ROBSL]

I cannot remember any of the details of what happened to Boley at the time, except that he lived on for some time but a high percentage of his body was burnt.
I was not there but Jurg Dubler, Mike Knight, Chris Craft and Alan Rolinson all were and I could ask any of them.
I was not sure if there was a crash or not but the fire happened on going out on warm up for the final.
In those days we did not wear belts but if the fuel cap was left open(which I recall it was) then the surge would have caused the fuel to surge forward on braking for the first corner, the fuel would have gotton on the front wheels and it would have been like driving in the wet.

My point is that the car would surely have burnt out and that it is unlikely that Morgan could have repaired that car and been racing it 6 months later and complaining as he is now remembers saying that the car was 'twisted' when he brought it from Frank.
The Italien authorities always hang onto the cars involved in fatal accidents for ages.
A more likely possibility is that Frank sold Morgan one of the other two 'red' T60's that he had bought in Italy? They dont seem to appear anywhere else.
Morgan will call me when he returns from US and I will ask.
ROBSL

[Bryan Miller]

Robsl.
I am aware that this is completely off thread but as you speak to Dave Morgan,would you be kind enough to advise him that his BT35-8 is alive and very well in Australia.

Thanks Bryan.

[Rob29]

From Sheldon 'bible'; XVI Coppa del,Autodromo di Monza-4 Jun 1967-2 12lap heats+ 35 laps final Final must have been longest ever F3 race?-125miles.
Boley Pittard finished 10th in heat.Shown under retirements in final as '0 laps-fatal fire'.As I remember they were topping up the cars with fuel on the grid,so filler cap left open seems a likely scenario.

[rkshanahan]

I recieved an e-mail from Peter Denty today, and it turns out he owns both 60-5 and 62-10. Appearently, 60-5 is the ex-Thompson, ex-Featherstone, red F3 car and 62-10 is the remains of the Boley Pittard car. Hopefully that solves the mystery around what happened to that chassis after the fire.

Rob

[Expat]

Could you let me have Peter's email address? He restored my Brabham two years - which is a joy - and I wanted to say hello (he has had a long recovery from a very bad road accident last year) update Peter and James on my plans to drive it at Goodwood tomorrow.

[rkshanahan]

Expat,
Peter's e-mail is peterdentyracing@tinyworld.co.uk. Good luck at Goodwood!

Rob

[Expat]

Many thanks Rob.

[Chris Townsend]

According to Motoring News Dave Morgan's car was one of three sold to Italy, and "the best of them" - so hardly likely to have been Pittard's, even allowing for what the other owners [being Italian F3 drivers] might have done to their cars.

Chris

[allenbrown]

Originally posted by Chris Townsend
... So, we could fit Nelson in on chassis 2, which takes care of another gap on Allen's F5000 database in 1969.

I can confirm that Race Report's results of the Mondello race in 1969 lists Nelson's car as 'T60 (2)'.

Allen

[rkshanahan]

It would seem that my chassis must be either 61-6 or 62-8, but I have not been able to locate either car. Can anyone think of a way to determine which chassis was written off by Chris Featherstone in Monoposto racing during 1970? Since it was reported to be an ex-MRP car I was hoping it might be 61-6.

[Chris Townsend]

Just to push the history of one of these cars a little further
In 1971 T55 [SL64-1] was being hillclimbed in Scotland by Ted Dzierzek.

Chris

[rkshanahan]

Thanks Chris! I have not heard back from Peter Denty yet as to the fuel pump mounts on his cars, but I am hoping that will be one of the final pieces to my puzzle. If his chassis 61-5 doesn't have mounts, I believe I can eliminate all the early numbers as possible for my chassis. I am also hoping that he may have contact info for Chris Featherstone. I will let you know what I find out.

Rob

[rkshanahan]

Originally posted by rkshanahan
If his chassis 61-5

Sorry, that should actually be chassis 60-5.

[rkshanahan]

Is there anyone close enough to Peter Denty Racing to actually go there and look at Peter's two chassis? He has not responded to my attempts to contact him and I am still curious about the fuel pump mounts on his cars.

Rob

[Expat]

Try ringing Peter's son, James Denty. Always pleasant and helpful in my experience, he may be able to answer your questions.

Their tel number if you dial from the US is + 011 44 1 1953 498 529.