Brabham BT35

[David McKinney]

I was trotting around paddocks with my little notebook throughout the period, but can't add as much as I hoped I might:

1985
BT35-? John Bryning, Silverstone.

1986
BT35-? Ray Mallock at Oulton, D.N.F
BT35-44 Fred Edwards, Thruxton
BT35-? Nick Overall, Silverstone - ex-Gerard/Salisbury, Wingfield etc

1987
BT35-? Nigel Fehler, Donington

1988
BT35-6 Keith Norman, Brands Hatch
BT35-28 Lincoln Small, Thruxton

[Bryan Miller]

David.

10 demerit points for not recording the ellusive BT35 /Gerrard /Salisbury chassis number.

Originally Andrew reported BT35 -? with Nick Overall in 1986, Then David reports that it is indeed ex. Gerrard /Salisbury car.
I have kept all sorts of snippets , and in Motor Sport May 1997 p.583 , Nick Overall has a colour advert. for BT35-28.
Much admired and raced in HSCC events,states the advert.

Could we have uncovered the Gerrard/ Salisbury BT35 ch.no.

Do we know where the car is now ?

Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

If one reads all presented to one , one may make less mistakes.

Can we connect BT35-28 raced by Lincoln Small at Thruxton in 1988 to Nick Overall in 1986 , or to Nick Overall in Motor Sport adv. 1997 .

Bryan.

[Jeremy Jackson]

Although I guess Nick Overall may have raced more than 1 BT35, I have Overall in a BT35 1987-92, and Lincoln Small in BT35-28 1987-94, including:
Donington 13/9/92 Small & Overall at the same meeting in BT35s.

Also, in HSCC events:
In 1991, John Harper in BT35-35, and Nick Buttress in an unidentified car in 1993

[Andrew Fellowes]

Thanks, Thats filled another small gap or two but still leaves Overall/Small 35's in question.

I have a feeling that Ray Mallock might have been driving Brynings car at Oulton. I know that he did at Brands as John had a U2 as well and both cars were entered by his company Lithofast.

[David McKinney]

The Overall and Small cars were definitely different beasts and, as Jeremy says, often appeared in the same race. Overall was (is?) in the business of buying and selling old racing cars, which would explain his offering BT35-28 on behalf of Small (or perhaps a subsequent owner) in 1997.
I accept your demerit points for not discovering the no. of Overall’s car, Bryan, but you have to remember that I was at these meetings as a reporter, perhaps covering ten races in different classes, which meant a lot of people to get around (and races to watch). If I had time for my own pursuits, I might race around the paddock noting as many c/no’s as I had time for (starting with anything F1 and working down). If there was no plate on the instrument panel, or easily visible elsewhere, I would move on to the next car. I might sometime have taken the time to ask an owner, but the cars were often unattended.
Buttress’s 1993 car was the one Overall had been racing until then. I haven’t hard of it since.

[Bryan Miller]

David.

I should be doing exactly the same in my position of Hewland distributor at the current F3 championship races over here for all the Dallara's , however for exactly similar reasons I have to admit I am not.

BT35-28 , corrections if I am wrong please , but this appears to be the first time , when Lincoln Small appears at Thruxton in 1988 , that we have seen this chassis number reported.

Bryan.

[David McKinney]

I may have noted it in 1987 (he did race it that year)

[Bryan Miller]

David.

I went and looked at earlier post by yourself, as you were posting.

You reported in Swiss Hillclimbs 1971, Euro F3 in 1972-3, and Small 1988-1994, thence sale by Overall in 1997 .

So we have a long trail , I will have to do a complete rebuild on all the ch.nos. in our posts etc. so I don't make the same mistake again.
So we are still back to not having a ch.no. for Salisbury/ Gerrard car , and if you did not note it easily in the paddock, maybe the plate has gone A.W.O.L.

When I started this I was aware the BT35's were going to be a nuisance, but never did I think they would be so intertwined, and it appears more so now in Historic in 2000's

Andrew, this suggests that Lincoln Small had two cars at the same time, as you reported earlier Lincoln purchased BT30-16 via Ted Walker in 1986 and retains today.
Bryan.

[Jeremy Jackson]

If it helps, I have Small in the BT35 up to 1994, and the first time I saw him with BT30-16 was May 1995.

[Bryan Miller]

Jeremy.

Thank you, probably racing BT35 untill BT30 ready to re-enter the fray.

[David McKinney]

Small had the BT30 in 1994, though whether he raced it that year I'm not sure
Your "probabilty" theory isn't quite right, Bryan. He was a regular competitor in HSCC events with the BT35, and bought the BT30 to compete in the FIA European F2 series (though as I remember was never a regular competitor in it)
And before someone asks, the BT35 raced (once?) by Laurence Edscer in 1994 was Small's. It was also raced that year, still in Small's ownership, by someone whose name I didn't note - John someone?

[Bryan Miller]

Thanks David.

Re. BT35-6, in the course of my business I visited Autosport show 2001 at Birmingham , and on display was I am sure BT35-6 , it was either -6 or -10 , as I noted the car was 2 ch.no. away from mine.
I believe the owner was Keith Norman,the car was on display with an R.A.C. service unit , for the purpose of signing up new members.

Am I correct with the owner , still having the car at that time.????

Probable's and possible's just don't work do they.??
Bryan.

[David McKinney]

Interesting...
I have Norman's name against 35/6 in 1988, but then with Robert Haze in the Netherlands 1992-95-
Of course there are several possible explanations....

[Bryan Miller]

Certainly the car was at the show , and looking very correct, the name Keith Norman rang a bell , but I am now questioning my memory, the lady I spoke to advised that the car was looked after at race meetings primarily by R.A.C. service people.

[Bryan Miller]

David.

I have information in front of me that advises a BT35 in the U.K. has BT35-47 , complete with a correct 1972 AM number.
As we already know of BT35-44 in the U.K. , the Mickel car, which was stated to be brand new for the hills in March 1972 , we would at least in the case of BT35 series cars at least , obviously have more cars than either the Lawrence book or my Brabham sheets indicate.
In the case of the 35's , 41 cars off , and we certainly know of -44 , and I have no reason to disbelieve the -47 report , so discounting the usual -13 ch. no. we have what appears to be 46 entities at least in the BT35 series.

We will also have a few 'ring-ins ' via BT28's updated bodywork wise when the rules changed , the first car I can think of is the Tom Belso car, which in period was called a BT28/35 in the Atlantic series in 1971 , so if the car has lost it's ch.plate , or the subsequent owners didn't know or care , it could become a de-facto BT35 , I am not suggesting it did happen to that car , just a plausible scenario.

Bryan.

[HENDERZSON]

Hi Bryan,
Two more BT35's have shown up in US. Dave Erwin has BT35-41 and BT35-44 for sale both as rolling chassis. BT35-44 refered as a hillclimb car. BT35-41 as a FB car.
Regards
Ian

[Bryan Miller]

Ian.

Thanks for that.
BT35-44 is a hillclimb car ,the ex Agnes and Gray Mickel car from Scotland .
BT35-41 , I had another name against that , also in the US , back in the 90's , so fair chance that one was new to the US as a FB car in period , which is where the majority of BT29's would have gone as new as well.

I think I have heard the name Dave Erwin , is he a dealer.?

Bryan.

[dereklola]

I think his name is spelled Dave Irwin and he's somewhere in the eastern US - Ohio or Virginia I think.

While I'm on the forum can anyone either help me or direct me within the forum to any discussions on the Ralt RT2 F2 and CanAm cars. I own one and have a brief history of all of them but would like to widen my input? Thx - Derek

[Bryan Miller]

Derek.

Thanks for that.
Re. Ralt RT2'S , there is a fair bit in the Irish Formula Atlantic Thread, which is on page 2 of the main historic forum , so scroll to bottom rh. corner and hit p2 .

Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

All.

I had a look at the final results for the Euro F2 Series, and the following cars and drives are as below.

BT35 , Peter Shaw , U.K.
BT35 , Nick Read , U.K.
BT35 , Duncan Dayton , USA/UK , BT35-7 ??????????????
BT35 , Roy Walzer , ???.

Can anybody assist with identification.?

Bryan.

[HENDERZSON]

Hi Bryan and Chris,
Dave Irwin has a business in NE US and prepares historic cars, and deals in cars and parts.
Ref. Euro historic series, I can confirm (from 2000 visit to Sid Hoole) that Duncan Dayton has BT35-7 with/1.6L FI BDA (updated to BT36 specs) prepared by Sid Hoole. Also, BT35-? is with Sid Hoole, owned by Roy Waltzer and is also updated to BT36 specs w/FI 1.6L BDA. Nick Reed has BT35-3 in FA trim from a previous forum posting.
Ian

[HENDERZSON]

Trying to contact Nick Overall to find out ........ the Salisbury/Gerrard BT35 chassis number.
Ian

[Bryan Miller]

BT35-3 , Nick Read , I saw the report earlier re. him and this ch.no. but I wasn't aware in what series it was being used , it could have been the F3 series , I wrongly assumed ,as the car was when new to Bernard Lagier an F3 in period , that is was rebuilt in that form , guess not.

Bryan.

[Jeremy Jackson]

Hopping back to BT35s, I have Mike Hawley's car as BT35-35, noted at the 2 Harewood meetings in June & September 1972