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Old 5 Feb 2011, 22:24 (Ref:2826322)   #51
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Guess they'd start charging just that "little bit" extra for the spectator sections near those "overtaking zones", huh?
You know, just to screw over the fans that little bit more?


Or maybe I'm just too cynical in my old age.
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Old 5 Feb 2011, 22:26 (Ref:2826324)   #52
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Why not move it into the bin ? As Michael Schumacher's said, the solution is to dramatically shift the adhesion balance from aero to mechanical. But then we've known that for 2 decades and nothing's been done about it. I guess the fact we had a good championship battle last year [without the need for on track overtaking] has got something to do with it.

Anyways, I still feel that my innovative sprinkler system is the way forward !
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Old 5 Feb 2011, 22:55 (Ref:2826335)   #53
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i dont mind the rear wing thing, but the fia need to let the drivers get on with it...they should be able to use it whenever or not at all...otherwise its too artificial
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Old 6 Feb 2011, 00:00 (Ref:2826345)   #54
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That's correct I think. I think that I am referring to the visual aid to help people watching it on TV.

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"To help Formula 1 fans and television commentators understand the implementation of the rules better, lines will be painted on the track to mark out the overtaking and timing zone.

A single line on the straight will show where the overtaking zone starts, while two lines will be painted at the preceding corner to indicate the one-second time difference distance. This latter line will also serve as a visual back up for the FIA should the official timing transponders fail at any point."
So for Fans to be able to see it and the TV cameras to have it in shot, these lines will have to be painted close to the middle of the track or racing line

Think Monaco or Albert Park where there are road markings (parking bays) still visible. How is that going to work?
Also it's raining and a car touches a line on the outside of the track and spins off - shouldn't have been that far out in the first place perhaps, but what of these lines that have as mentioned above need to be somewhere that can be seen actually on the track.

They would be as well painting a constant line on the racing line, but change it's colour for different sections.
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Old 6 Feb 2011, 01:37 (Ref:2826364)   #55
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Why not move it into the bin ? As Michael Schumacher's said, the solution is to dramatically shift the adhesion balance from aero to mechanical. But then we've known that for 2 decades and nothing's been done about it. I guess the fact we had a good championship battle last year [without the need for on track overtaking] has got something to do with it.

Anyways, I still feel that my innovative sprinkler system is the way forward !
I think you are being way too generous here.
F1 has been shifting everything towards aerodynamics since the early 70s.
The OWT (overtaking working group) has to be one of the most cynical exercises in doing the precise opposite of the apparent brief that has ever been accomplished in history!

Moving the whole car balance to those huge and overbearing multiple plane and moveable front wings was just a complete JOKE!
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Old 6 Feb 2011, 08:08 (Ref:2826395)   #56
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If you've got an hour or so to spare, watch this >

http://smibs.tv/TFL

Episode 5 Testing.

It gives some insight into what's happening currently in F1, but it also gets the view of someone who has probably done more testing in an F1 car than just about anyone one else. Pedro whole-heartedly wants a reduction in downforce, and he also says: "at the end of the day" quite a lot.
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Old 6 Feb 2011, 08:21 (Ref:2826398)   #57
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The OWT (overtaking working group) has to be one of the most cynical exercises in doing the precise opposite of the apparent brief that has ever been accomplished in history!
Agreed. And they're probably going to be less inclined than ever to do anything about it now that they can see all the flack that Pirelli are getting.

I remember that Mosley got all the flack for introducing grooved tyres. But it's little known that he gave the teams ample time to come up with other means of slowing the cars down. They didn't, and the rest is history.
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Old 6 Feb 2011, 15:14 (Ref:2826649)   #58
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I remember that Mosley got all the flack for introducing grooved tyres. But it's little known that he gave the teams ample time to come up with other means of slowing the cars down. They didn't, and the rest is history.
Could it possibly be to do with the fact that most of the people working in F1 teams these days are involved in aerodynamics and are keen on career preservation ?
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Could it possibly be to do with the fact that most of the people working in F1 teams these days are involved in aerodynamics and are keen on career preservation ?
Well yes. As I've said previously. Turkeys aren't going to vote for Christmas.
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Old 6 Feb 2011, 22:30 (Ref:2826928)   #60
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Well yes. As I've said previously. Turkeys aren't going to vote for Christmas.
Turkey shoot - way overdue!
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Old 7 Feb 2011, 23:13 (Ref:2827500)   #61
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And what's that then? Because one man's meat is another man's poison.

Some would say that cars shouldn't have 'wings' at all.
You're right. I would.
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Old 7 Feb 2011, 23:48 (Ref:2827513)   #62
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So much for banning moving aerodynamic devices; bring back the fan car.

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So much for banning moving aerodynamic devices; bring back the fan car.
Different times - different solutions.
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Old 9 Feb 2011, 13:04 (Ref:2828383)   #64
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So much for banning moving aerodynamic devices; bring back the fan car.
Ah, those were the days, not only did the following car have to deal with extreme turbulence, it was like following a continually firing shotgun, with all the grit and debris that was churned out by the fan, drivers today don't know what they are missing.
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Old 9 Feb 2011, 14:41 (Ref:2828453)   #65
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Ah, those were the days, not only did the following car have to deal with extreme turbulence, it was like following a continually firing shotgun, with all the grit and debris that was churned out by the fan, drivers today don't know what they are missing.
Just imagine what it would have been like following it in the rain.
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Ah, those were the days, not only did the following car have to deal with extreme turbulence, it was like following a continually firing shotgun, with all the grit and debris that was churned out by the fan, drivers today don't know what they are missing.
Only raced in one race; which it won; before it was banned, and Brabham had to ditch all there R&D and build a new car.
Oh the days when innovation was actually a part of F1,and things that were bad for racing were actually banned. Twin chassis Lotus as well.

Now how long do we think those damn circus front wings that the OWT should be allowed to continue ruining the racing?
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Just imagine what it would have been like following it in the rain.
Probably not too much worse than following one of the current cars in the dry!
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Probably not too much worse than following one of the current cars in the dry!
It might have been like following a giant hosepipe.
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