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Webber is no where near as good as Vettel IMO. Vettel had the talent to put the car on pole and that is where he had the upper hand. The Red Bull has shown it is a tyre eater in dirty air which is why both drivers have found it difficult to move through traffic. In Canada Vettel had pole position and unlike the Mercedes, it has the pace in the slower corners to make the difference. Its been their design philosophy for 4 years now and although the RB lacks the straight-line speed of the Ferrari's and Merc's, it carries thew advantage in the slower corners. Canada has a few of those and this made up for the loss on the straights IMO. Webber was down the drid so obviously isn't going to reap the kind of rewards of his team mate.
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In contrast, Alonso does not seem great at qualifying. 2010 the last dry pole!
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Vettel's qualifying ability has been absolutely vital for his success with RBR because the RB depends on pole position far more than the other front running cars when hoping for a race win. One more reason why it's not necessarily an easy car to win in, not for everybody anyway. It is a very good match with Vettel's personal strengths though.
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Hamilton OTOH, is still trying to dominate a team mate who has outqualified him 3 times and has already won a GP. But even then he doesn't have the car to fight Seb and Fernando. And Alonso even if he blames the luck, has done an average and inconsistent job so far in my opinion. In Australia the team rushed him into the pits for the first pit stop, but I think they wouldn't have done it had he outqualified Massa. It was an easy win compromised by an average qualifying. In Malaisya he was outqualified again by Massa, and could've fought for the win again if it was not for that silly rookie error in the first corner. And in the next five races Kimi's beaten him 3 times in Q with a slower Lotus. Monaco's race was compromised again by that fact, he had to fight the midfield runners and was beaten by Perez, Sutil and Button. Then in Barhain he had that DRS problem, you can call that bad luck. But then again trying to open it in the middle of a stint and therefore having to pit losing tons of seconds was his mistake, another one. So to summarize it, IMHO Vettel isn't leading because of luck or a dominant car, or any other excuse that people could invent. He's 36 points clear of Fernando because he's done great while the spaniard has made some mistakes that costed him big points. |
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I never acknowledged this fact. I think a season or two in an uncompetitive car before F1, would've helped him develop other qualities. I don't know, I think if he hadn't had it so easy early on in his career, he could've won in 2010. Passionate fans of his would have to be disappointed how he dropped form after winning in Belgium. The way that particular season turned out, he should've ran away with it from then on imo. |
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Red Bull took on Vettel when he was under 22 btw. What an odd age to select, funnily enough exactly Hamilton's age when he started in F1. What a coincidence. Oh and he started his F1 career in a BMW and a very competitive, Newey designed and Ferrari engined STR. The school of hard knocks has another graduate! |
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Woah, take it easy. In principle, I don't think F1 teams should be "developing" drivers from a young age. I can't be bothered explaining at length why atm. That's atm.
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This, as opposed to having the best car, resources funds and guiding a car to a win. I don't think it was a accident that Hamilton's worst races of 07 and 08 were at Brazil, and the title was on the line. I don't think it's an accident that Hamilton's best race when the title was on the line was at Abu Dhabi in 10, when he really had no chance. Quote:
But you've kind of helped me make my point. Leaving Hamiilton and Vettel aside, what about all the other drivers that have been part of a driver "development" program at McLaren or Red Bull? They might provide some sponsorship, but they done nothing for a lot of drivers. |
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Ben Collins is the fourth-fastest driver in Formula 1 (potentially).
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The top three are just in the order of how much they cared and tried! Lewis went back on a good day and didn't stop pounding round until he was happy. Vettel tried more than anyone until Lewis came back.
Not that there is anything wrong with that. Shows that they had it easy by entering F1 in an era of infinite testing! |
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That is very true. To expand on that he is also settling into a brand new team and learning about a car that has only recently been adapted to suit him more. I think its credit to Lewis he is 20 points ahead of his team mate regardless of the three poles and race win Nico has earned. Its also a credit he is so close to Nico in terms of pace considering the technical issues he is having. I rate Nico highly and see this as a strong partnership.
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1) Orly? What did he do? "Hello Mr Dennis, I'd like to drive for you one day hehehe" 2) So, was it him, or was it his dad? Was it his determination or his dad's? His dad does come across as a bit of a pageant mum. 3) Heaps of cash does not mean you'll make it and there are still many obstacles to face even if you have multi-nationals supporting you. There a more cashed up potential racers than there are than those who actually succeed. Even with a father who was a racing driver, there are still many obstacles that you have to work through and is not a guarantee. But when a team chooses you career path, it opens up a free run to the top. The fact that Hamilton has had this is more valuable than someone who has more cash. More drivers would've been burnt by McLaren/Red Bull programs (particularly Red Bull) than those that have been enhanced. That is not what development programs, of any kind, are supposed to do. There's a difference between working hard and knowing you'll get a result, like Hamilton has had the comfort of doing, and working hard, but not sure you'll get your desired result, pretty much like everyone else. But no, Hamilton won u14 kart races in karts that were not necessarily the best, but still pretty good, hey? So what? There's more to it than that. |
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I'm confused. It seems you will defend to the death your right to express your opinion in any way you see fit, and yet you can't resist the barbed comments when someone else dares to question your opinion and express theirs. If you want to spend your time somewhere where only your opinion is accepted, start your own ****ing forum. |
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I agree with Henners. Lewis has been very consistant this year, and lets give him a chance. It takes a while to get up to speed, so all in all lets judge at the end of the season.
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Really Lewis? You, the guy who was in the McLaren camp as a teenager? Every young boys dream. Talk about spoilt. as a macca fan I just couldn't warm to the guy. No respect or appreciation for what has happened to get him where he is.
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