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Old 8 Nov 2018, 16:15 (Ref:3861825)   #226
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A wise person should have money in their head, but not in their heart. All private funded TCR projects ended up in nothing with the exception of Romeo Ferraris'. To be fair most of the failed projects were launch by not-so-ready teams/tuners.
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Old 8 Nov 2018, 17:25 (Ref:3861841)   #227
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For sure I would not consider Top Run as a "not-so-ready team" at all. Same for Onyx.

I don't know so much Vukovic Motorsport or FRD or STARD, so I won't judge them.
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Old 8 Nov 2018, 17:29 (Ref:3861842)   #228
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For sure I would not consider Top Run as a "not-so-ready team" at all. Same for Onyx.

Top-Run never did a race car from the scratch before nor they did not have any strong background in circuit racing. Sometimes it takes a wrong turn to get you to the right place. Who knows.



Onyx was a huge failure.
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Old 8 Nov 2018, 18:39 (Ref:3861851)   #229
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Since 30 years, Top Run is an absolute protagonist in the Italian touring car championships. They also have a lot of experience in auto tuning and with rally cars.

For sure, running TCR cars as a private is not easy. But the experience is not a problem for them. Maybe it's only a wrong project, with also a few support to be honest. All things considered, they have done pretty well for the materials available.
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Old 8 Nov 2018, 18:46 (Ref:3861853)   #230
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For sure I would not consider Top Run as a "not-so-ready team" at all. Same for Onyx.

I don't know so much Vukovic Motorsport or FRD or STARD, so I won't judge them.
At least the Vukovic car has been demonstrated at a Renaultsport event. Very promising that Renault will at least permit its appearance. Its probably the best looking TCR car.

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Old 9 Nov 2018, 19:43 (Ref:3862037)   #231
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Besides the i30 TCR also a Veloster TCR next season:

Source: https://sportscar365.com/imsa/impc/b...eloster-n-tcr/

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Bryan Herta Autosport will make the move to IMSA competition next year, confirming Friday a two-car program in Michelin Pilot Challenge with the new Hyundai Veloster N TCR.

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While the PWC titles came with the i30 N TCR, BHA will campaign Hyundai Motorsport’s new-for-2019 Veloster N model, which largely retains the core components of the previous car, including the 350-horsepower 2.0-liter turbocharged engine.

Both cars will be fully homologated for TCR competition worldwide, including Michelin Pilot Challenge and SRO’s TC America series.

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“The Veloster N TCR retains everything great about the i30 N and gives us a world-class race car with a direct road-car counterpart that our fans can purchase and drive every day.”

In addition to running cars of its own, BHA will also be responsible for North American sales and technical support for the cars.

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Initial Veloster N TCR deliveries will go to customer teams in markets where the road car is offered, which includes North America.

It will go on sale for €135,000 plus shipping, with deliveries set to begin in March.

€135k...Did they increase the max price again? IIRC it was €130k.


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Additionally, Hyundai Motor America will provide a contingency award program to customer teams competing in Pilot Challenge and TC America, which encompasses TCR with the Veloster N TCR and i30 N TCR and the TC division with the Veloster N.
Are there any contingency programs in Europe?
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Old 9 Nov 2018, 19:44 (Ref:3862038)   #232
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At least the Vukovic car has been demonstrated at a Renaultsport event. Very promising that Renault will at least permit its appearance. Its probably the best looking TCR car.

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Okay different level but their Audi in Procar was pretty good.
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Old 10 Nov 2018, 07:03 (Ref:3862104)   #233
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Hyundai will develop new Veloster N TCR for markets that doesn't have i30.

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Old 10 Nov 2018, 10:24 (Ref:3862121)   #234
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Hopefully Ford pickup TCR with the new model Fiesta/Focus. With support from MSport or even Ford Performance they could sell a lot of cars

Would love to see the other Japanese marques such as Nissan Toyota and Mazda get involved. Look at the success of the Honda.
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Hopefully Ford pickup TCR with the new model Fiesta/Focus. With support from MSport or even Ford Performance they could sell a lot of cars

Would love to see the other Japanese marques such as Nissan Toyota and Mazda get involved. Look at the success of the Honda.
M-Sport is too much involved with the rally programme and the Bentley programme. And I think that this year they're busy working on the new model of Fiesta to launch for the R5 rally market...

But it's strange that no one has devoleped the Focus RS apart the chinese firm!
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Old 10 Nov 2018, 10:44 (Ref:3862127)   #236
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Btw, the latest episode of Inside TCR if someone haven't seen it yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l60DrvE257c
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Old 10 Nov 2018, 12:25 (Ref:3862136)   #237
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But it's strange that no one has devoleped the Focus RS apart the chinese firm!
They can't. TCR and GT3 have very similar rules in that respect. Each manufacturer nominates a single company to develop and homolgate each model. You can't have different people building the same model.

So for example, JAS are the nominated builder of the Honda Civic. Anyone who wants to race a TCR Civic has to use one built by JAS, they can't simply build and develop their own version.
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Old 10 Nov 2018, 16:12 (Ref:3862158)   #238
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Onyx started the development of the Focus and ended up transferring it to chinese firm FRD. Perhaps it is about time FRD transfers it to M-Sport or someone else able to do the job.
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Old 10 Nov 2018, 17:17 (Ref:3862172)   #239
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[QUOTE=GM10;3861817]The Fiat Tipo TCR has been presented by Tecnodom months ago. Tecnodom said it would have raced at Vallelunga in September but it didn't happen. But I think that next year they will go racing.
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The Tipo will race 6h Roma.
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Old 10 Nov 2018, 23:40 (Ref:3862288)   #240
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I guess at some point TMGbH will build a Corolla/Auris TCR as it would complement their other customer cars (like their Toyota 86 rallycar and one-make car).
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Old 11 Nov 2018, 19:32 (Ref:3862526)   #241
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http://www.serbiaring.com/vesti/ako-...ord-fokus-tcr/

M-Sport was set to develop and build new Focus TCR, but at this moment there are no money for developing that car.
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With TCR racing in US, can we expect something from Ford USA?
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With TCR racing in US, can we expect something from Ford USA?
Considering the fact that Ford are dropping all their cars in the USA in favour of crossovers i doubt it
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Considering the fact that Ford are dropping all their cars in the USA in favour of crossovers i doubt it
And also we have to consider a fact that Ford seems a bit not interested in any non-American motorsport programmes. Okay, now they officially return to Supercars bit their involvement isn't as high as in the past probably. But they pulled out of World Rallycross and due to lack of big enough involvement they let Sebastien Ogier go to Citroen in WRC. So any Ford's involvement in TCR shouldn't be the case.
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They can't. TCR and GT3 have very similar rules in that respect. Each manufacturer nominates a single company to develop and homolgate each model. You can't have different people building the same model.

So for example, JAS are the nominated builder of the Honda Civic. Anyone who wants to race a TCR Civic has to use one built by JAS, they can't simply build and develop their own version.
I believe the Focus is no longer homologated, which suggests the door is wide open for someone else to take it on.
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So any Ford's involvement in TCR shouldn't be the case.
It's different. In TCR you can build and then sell the cars, you have not to run a team.

The problem with Ford is that they have no interest in touring car and rally. Their activity is very restricted, obviously they got some glory with the Ford GT in Le Mans but it seems that also this programme is going to end
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For private reasons and in view of the changed structures at Opel Kissling Motorsport will retire after 41 years from the active motorsport business. After 20 won championships and more than 600 individual successes with Opel vehicles from Kissling, we say goodbye to the motorsport stage.

A big thank you to our customers, partners, fans, friends and of course every single employee without whom this success story would never have been possible. The current projects such as Astra TCRs are continued by experienced partners. In order to keep the Kissling Motorsport history a little in our memory we will scour our historical photo material and post one or the other great photo on our Facebook-page.

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The TCR project is continued by others but still sad to see Kissling close doors.
Lubner Motorsport have taken over technical support for the TCR Astra
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I guess it's hard to run a manufacturer-blessed motorsport program, when the manufacturer itself is still feeling the effects of a buy-out.

Hopefully Lubner can get a few more cars on track than Kissling did.
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I guess it's hard to run a manufacturer-blessed motorsport program, when the manufacturer itself is still feeling the effects of a buy-out.

Hopefully Lubner can get a few more cars on track than Kissling did.
WTCR??? Peugeot/Citroen already run in WTCR (under guess what Peugeot) but VW group have 3 manufacturers. However, a lack of Opel backing could hold this back.
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