2018 Season Launch and Testing Thread - Page 15

F1Guy · 7 Mar 2018, 10:19 (Ref:3806538)

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Originally Posted by steve nielsen

it actualy stopped 3 times today and only did 38 laps(setting a time slower than Ericsson in the Sauber)

Renault did 137 laps, Red Bull did 130 laps with the same engine...........

Renaults fault??

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1GJ0ZB

peebee2 · 7 Mar 2018, 10:27 (Ref:3806541)

Now, after Honda, it’s Renault who are embarrassing McLaren!

Next year it will probably be Mercedes letting them down and then in 2020 it will be Ferrari who are delivering unacceptable service. Still there will be some claiming McLaren have the “best car!”

S griffin · 7 Mar 2018, 10:31 (Ref:3806543)

Anyone else think the Sauber livery looks even better with the green flo viz paint on it?

AdrianM · 7 Mar 2018, 10:31 (Ref:3806544)

Unfortunately for McLaren they are having their problems out on track whereas other teams have had issues that have cost them hours as well but they're happening in the garage.

This time if it is spewing fluid and smoke from the engine as reported at trackside then it might not be their fault.

billy bleach · 7 Mar 2018, 11:02 (Ref:3806553)

Blimey what is going to happen in 30c + temp in Melbourne? ..?...

Moneyseeker · 7 Mar 2018, 11:13 (Ref:3806555)

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Originally Posted by AdrianM

Unfortunately for McLaren they are having their problems out on track whereas other teams have had issues that have cost them hours as well but they're happening in the garage.

This time if it is spewing fluid and smoke from the engine as reported at trackside then it might not be their fault.

Could be tight packaging round the engine and cooling. Remember when RBR first had the Renault, the tight Newey packaging caused overheating and some of the failures and McLaren have been burning the rear bodywork during the test already.

AdrianM · 7 Mar 2018, 11:23 (Ref:3806559)

Oil leak from the engine and they have to change it. Doubt we'll see McLaren back out until the last hour or so of the day.

E.B · 7 Mar 2018, 11:39 (Ref:3806566)

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Originally Posted by AdrianM

This time if it is spewing fluid and smoke from the engine as reported at trackside then it might not be their fault.

They have already admitted they have problems with the cooling on their installation package and current cooling set up. Hence the holes added to the engine cover during testing to increase cooling. If it is an engine problem it might be more from the admitted lack of cooling than a Renault issue.
None of the other Renault engined cars have had problems to my knowledge.

**bella** · 7 Mar 2018, 12:21 (Ref:3806584)

didn’t they make similar but different mistakes with the honda? is misunderstanding the importance of the bit that actually makes it a car and not an ornament a new mclaren trait?

littleman · 7 Mar 2018, 13:17 (Ref:3806610)

I'm clinging to the hope that McLaren are still driven by a genuine,overwhelming passion to be back at the very sharpest end of the grid. They've maybe gone for the optimum car design with minimal leeway for compromise.

I'd rather see that than selling out like the once great Williams team have.They appear to have settled for perpetual mediocracy........tragic.

E.B · 7 Mar 2018, 13:29 (Ref:3806613)

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Originally Posted by littleman

I'm clinging to the hope that McLaren are still driven by a genuine,overwhelming passion to be back at the very sharpest end of the grid. They've maybe gone for the optimum car design with minimal leeway for compromise.

I'd rather see that than selling out like the once great Williams team have.They appear to have settled for perpetual mediocracy........tragic.

Have to go back to 2013 to find McLaren beating Williams in the WCC

Neither have won a race since 2012. McLaren have scored 2 podiums since that time, Williams 15! Less mediocre than McLaren it would seem.

littleman · 7 Mar 2018, 14:36 (Ref:3806626)

Try running the stats from 1998 onwards and see what you get.

S griffin · 7 Mar 2018, 14:42 (Ref:3806629)

Williams have enjoyed a bit of a revival in the turbo era, even if it is not quite what it was. We will see how they go with two rookies this season

peebee2 · 7 Mar 2018, 14:43 (Ref:3806630)

What’s the point of comparing from when they were the factory works Merc team? The first comparison is much more valid.

If the think about comparing internally to 1998, that helps explain why they appear so unrealistic in their expectation of themselves.

AdrianM · 7 Mar 2018, 14:47 (Ref:3806632)

McLaren do seem to have changed tack a bit now though. Back when they switched to Honda it was all about 2nd being the first of the losers and championships are all that count. Now they're talking openly about chasing podiums and wins and freely admitting that they can't win the championship with a Renault engine but not being down about it.

I'm just hoping for a repeat of 2011. They were nowhere all through testing with endless problems with the fantail exhaust yet got 2nd and 6th in Aus with JB going on to be the runner up in the WDC.

littleman · 7 Mar 2018, 14:56 (Ref:3806635)

Williams have had the only engine to win the World Championship since the start of the Hybrid era.

They were beaten by Force India in 2016 and 2017........impressive

steve nielsen · 7 Mar 2018, 15:26 (Ref:3806640)

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Originally Posted by littleman

Williams have had the only engine to win the World Championship since the start of the Hybrid era.

They were beaten by Force India in 2016 and 2017........impressive

McLaren had the same engine in 2014 and were beaten by Williams

littleman · 7 Mar 2018, 15:34 (Ref:3806644)

But not by Force India.....twice

steve nielsen · 7 Mar 2018, 15:48 (Ref:3806647)

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Originally Posted by littleman

But not by Force India.....twice

they were, they just blamed it on Honda

now we are seeing the Honda was not as bad as McLaren made it look

littleman · 7 Mar 2018, 16:26 (Ref:3806653)

are we...? What's that based on, a few reliable laps in testing with an engine that's now in it's fourth year of development.

E.B · 7 Mar 2018, 16:35 (Ref:3806655)

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Originally Posted by littleman

are we...? What's that based on, a few reliable laps in testing with an engine that's now in it's fourth year of development.

I think you mean a few hundred reliable laps of testing.... Hartley has run over 100 today alone.

The other Renault teams have racked up well over 300 laps today with no problems.

steve nielsen · 7 Mar 2018, 16:37 (Ref:3806657)

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleman

are we...? What's that based on, a few reliable laps in testing with an engine that's now in it's fourth year of development.

let's see: McLaren did 47 laps today, Toro Rosso Honda did over 100

meanwhile the other 2 teams with a Renault engine have done over 150 laps each

E.B · 7 Mar 2018, 16:51 (Ref:3806659)

10 minutes to go and Alonso has come out to play with the McLaren.

steve nielsen · 7 Mar 2018, 16:59 (Ref:3806660)

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Originally Posted by E.B

10 minutes to go and Alonso has come out to play with the McLaren.

But also Hartley just set a time faster than the McLaren

littleman · 7 Mar 2018, 17:06 (Ref:3806661)

I fail to understand why McLaren, who've won the WDC on twelve occasions across four decades, are the butt of so much ridicule.

Alongside Ferrari, they are the absolute bed-rock of F1.

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