WTCC 2016 WTCC news & rumours - Page 23

GM10 · 9 May 2016, 16:12 (Ref:3640384)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Is there a required place for the ballast to go?

Yes, on the "passenger seat" next to the driver.

thlbtcc · 11 May 2016, 09:25 (Ref:3640817)

Ah, very clever indeed. I like to see rules being interpreted and pushed to the limit. A tad risky though, they have some championship momentum right now.

Bramzel · 27 May 2016, 07:07 (Ref:3644773)

Well, there goes any hope of Honda challenging for the championship:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...wo-wtcc-rounds

Because their floor has been ruled illegal all Honda's have been excluded from the last two wtcc rounds.

Rubio · 27 May 2016, 07:32 (Ref:3644780)

Awful news. Don't know who is right or wrong here. But it will give people more reasons to say "Citroen payed for this, WTCC is s*** and so on" and turn away from the championship.

Shame, it really looked to be a great season. Now we have to wait for 2017 (in terms of any championship fights) and hope to see more fights then. If Honda stays after this, of course

GM10 · 27 May 2016, 08:58 (Ref:3644805)

Honda appealed this decision, so it's all sub-judice.

I really don't think Citroën is involved, I don't see any reason for that. FIA damaged Citroën with 80 kg ballast this year, why does FIA have to advantage Citroën again?

Tja · 27 May 2016, 09:29 (Ref:3644814)

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Originally Posted by GM10

Honda appealed this decision, so it's all sub-judice.

I really don't think Citroën is involved, I don't see any reason for that. FIA damaged Citroën with 80 kg ballast this year, why does FIA have to advantage Citroën again?

Can't see Citroen being involved in it either. It's a technical detail they shouldn't really be aware of. I can't judge whether it's the right or wrong decision but it completely destroys the fight for the drivers championship, JML is way ahead now.

Honda will still be using the questionable parts this weekend so the Nürburgring results will also remain provisional.

PorscheFanNo1 · 27 May 2016, 09:53 (Ref:3644816)

Typical FIA. What they should have done (as often the case with ACO for example) is say: "This is not within the spirit of the rules, fix it till the next race and we will clarify the rules so no-one can take advantage of this questinable loophole again" But as often the case with FIA, everything has to be black or white, there's no gray area in between. This really destoys the championship this year, and could potentially push Honda to not continue in the championship.

touring fan01 · 27 May 2016, 10:09 (Ref:3644819)

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

Typical FIA. What they should have done (as often the case with ACO for example) is say: "This is not within the spirit of the rules, fix it till the next race and we will clarify the rules so no-one can take advantage of this questinable loophole again" But as often the case with FIA, everything has to be black or white, there's no gray area in between. This really destoys the championship this year, and could potentially push Honda to not continue in the championship.

Honda knew at Hungary and then again at Morrocco that their flat floors were suspect and the FIA had a problem with them. But still they continued to use them. And they are still using them this weekend in Germany!

How much warning do they need that the FIA think the floors are dodgy? They had plenty of chances to fix it but haven't. Why didn't they bring 'normal' flat floors for this weekend, knowing there was a hearing and they could get thrown out for using the dodgy ones? Honda have refused to do anything about it so now they have to pay the price if the floors are wrong.

Rubio · 27 May 2016, 10:16 (Ref:3644822)

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

Typical FIA. What they should have done (as often the case with ACO for example) is say: "This is not within the spirit of the rules, fix it till the next race and we will clarify the rules so no-one can take advantage of this questinable loophole again" But as often the case with FIA, everything has to be black or white, there's no gray area in between. This really destoys the championship this year, and could potentially push Honda to not continue in the championship.

Agree. Let's take the example of F1 , where a lot of interesting novelties were banned during the last few years, but nobody excluded competitors from previous races.

Again, the most important thing, I'm afraid this is a big blow for the championship no matter who is right.

Bramzel · 27 May 2016, 10:40 (Ref:3644827)

I agree with touring fan01. Honda knew they were taking a risk, they couldv'e split the risk by running the floor on selected cars.

Mark0994 · 27 May 2016, 12:19 (Ref:3644848)

How they never investigate that Citroen have 20-30 km/h faster speed on straight when every car is made by rules...

S griffin · 27 May 2016, 13:12 (Ref:3644855)

It's a big blow for the championship and I do agree it is a bit harsh. It would have been better to just ban the floor immediately.

Though it is not as ridicolous as the time the BMWs were disqulaified, only for being stupid enough to listen to the officials when they gave them permission to race with a non-homologated part

Mark0994 · 27 May 2016, 13:53 (Ref:3644869)

Also what kind of people need 3 races to find out that floor is illegal. I mean in Yugo Cup where i drive the inspector check car before and after every race. And if car is not by rule book it's DSQ after the race not like this nonsense.

**FIRE** · 27 May 2016, 18:20 (Ref:3644930)

Not good for the championship but if it's illegal it's illegal.

thlbtcc · 28 May 2016, 07:20 (Ref:3645010)

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

How they never investigate that Citroen have 20-30 km/h faster speed on straight when every car is made by rules...

That's clearly within the rules, maybe a loophole under "mapping" = transient overboost for straights. Or something like that. Maybe RML & ROAL have figured that out too this year.

Canuck59NHL · 28 May 2016, 08:37 (Ref:3645018)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

Well, there goes any hope of Honda challenging for the championship:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...wo-wtcc-rounds

Because their floor has been ruled illegal all Honda's have been excluded from the last two wtcc rounds.

Before

After

kobefly · 3 Jun 2016, 11:40 (Ref:3646810)

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

How they never investigate that Citroen have 20-30 km/h faster speed on straight when every car is made by rules...

The difference is being made by the budget and professionalism of Citroën team. There is no other team in WTCC even close to match them in those aspects.

thlbtcc · 10 Jun 2016, 10:52 (Ref:3648679)

Honda half-excluded http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...-from-morocco/

helmat · 10 Jun 2016, 10:54 (Ref:3648680)

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Originally Posted by thlbtcc

Honda half-excluded http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...-from-morocco/

What kind of stupid FIA decision is that?

How can the same floor be legal in Hungary and then illegal in Morocco. Either exclude them from both rounds or don't exclude them at all ...

Rubio · 10 Jun 2016, 12:24 (Ref:3648694)

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Originally Posted by thlbtcc

Honda half-excluded http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...-from-morocco/

Ergh.. What? FIA decisions are getting wackier every minute

Hopefull Honda can bounce up from this, seems they have the pace in Moscow

Bramzel · 10 Jun 2016, 12:35 (Ref:3648696)

Am I the only one who understands the decision? The floors were illegal in both races, but as officials wrongly allowed them to enter with it in Hungary they'll only be excluded for the Morocco race.

I've seen wackier decisions to be honest.

pimmy · 10 Jun 2016, 14:15 (Ref:3648723)

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Originally Posted by Bramzel

Am I the only one who understands the decision? The floors were illegal in both races, but as officials wrongly allowed them to enter with it in Hungary they'll only be excluded for the Morocco race.

I've seen wackier decisions to be honest.

That still doesn't make sense. If they were wrongly allowed to enter Hungary with that floor, then why were they allowed to enter Morocco with the same floor? They should have been excluded by pre-race scrutineering.

The floor was either legal at both rounds, or illegal at both rounds. The FIA screwing up at Hungary doesn't change that fact.

S griffin · 10 Jun 2016, 14:39 (Ref:3648728)

I agree. They were using the floor for both rounds and AFAIK the floor was only ruled illegal by the stewards at the Nurburgring. Seems a bit wallyish by the FIA here

Matt · 10 Jun 2016, 14:46 (Ref:3648729)

It is what it is, we shouldn't dwell on it after the ruling and appeal has been heard.

Bramzel · 10 Jun 2016, 15:08 (Ref:3648736)

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Originally Posted by pimmy

That still doesn't make sense. If they were wrongly allowed to enter Hungary with that floor, then why were they allowed to enter Morocco with the same floor? They should have been excluded by pre-race scrutineering.

The floor was either legal at both rounds, or illegal at both rounds. The FIA screwing up at Hungary doesn't change that fact.

Ah, you're right, I got my races mixed up. I thought Morocco was before Hungary.

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Originally Posted by Matt

It is what it is, we shouldn't dwell on it after the ruling and appeal has been heard.

You know that this is a discussion forum right?

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