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Old 17 Nov 2017, 17:10 (Ref:3781039)   #31
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Anyway given by the fact that BR1 is a slightly modified dallara lmp2, hope that rebellion too may follow this route with an oreca 07 chassis powered by this 4.5L V8.

So what's about next year lmp1 so far?

x2 toyota
x1 CLM (not confirmed yet but likely)
x1 manor ginetta
x1 dragonspeed BR1
x1 SMP BR1

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x1 second manor ginetta
x1-x2 another ginetta team

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x1 oreca lmp1 effort
No SMP ran BR1. It is x2 ART GP ran BR1, as tested in Aragon this week.
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 17:14 (Ref:3781041)   #32
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Excuse me, explain better, I can't understand who runs who.
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 17:17 (Ref:3781043)   #33
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The actual BR Engineering entry in LMP1 next season, not the customer supplied chassis (Dragonspeed), will be ran by ART GP at the track. The latest testing they conducted was at Aragon this week.
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 17:23 (Ref:3781045)   #34
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Isn't it both ART and SMP?
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 17:27 (Ref:3781047)   #35
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Yes it is a bit confusing. There appears to be an SMP element, but with ART GP looking after the car, AER looking after the engines, I would imagine a third team being involved could be difficult. Will be interesting to see how it runs. I believe testing so far has been very positive.
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 17:30 (Ref:3781048)   #36
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http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/d...ibson-for-wec/

so what about dragonspeed? is ART who will manage and run the car for them?
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 17:32 (Ref:3781049)   #37
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I think we should give them more credit than saying it's a slightly modified Dallara lmp2 chassis also. The differences are big if you look closer at the car. It's hard to spot with the bare carbon color but the roof is different, the splitter and front nose is different, the sidepods, the rear wing etc. That's just bodywork, underneath the car I'm sure is hugely different as well. Plus lmp1's run different dimensions in terms of length. I like this little touch with the headlights!

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Old 17 Nov 2017, 17:37 (Ref:3781050)   #38
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so what about dragonspeed? is ART who will manage and run the car for them?
No, dragonspeed will be running their own car.

I think what is confusing people is the BR Engineering entry itself which comprises of ARTGP, AER, and SMP being the russian team element I guess. BR Engineering then appear to be also selling customer cars, with the customer then free to select their own engine and ran as they please.
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 17:48 (Ref:3781052)   #39
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I've read in Racecar Engineering, Dallara built their LMP2 chassis firstly for DPi - so it should be bulletproof and rather heavy. I think they could not just modify aerokit and bolt AER-kettle on. The monocoque should be new.
PS Looks strange a bit. Don't think they can retain coloured front lights.
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 17:51 (Ref:3781053)   #40
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Actually, as it turns out, the Gibson V8 is an all-new engine:

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/1...p1-engine.html

4.5 liters.

(Resurrection of the old Zytek pre-2011 LMP1 engine?)
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Yeah basically it should be a fuel flow updated version of the engine used in the old ginetta gz09s. Can't remember released figures, but in 2008 or 2009 it was something like 630hp @ 9500 or 10000rpm and about 580Nm.

Good to them if they have been able to throw out reliabile 700hp from a so small unit.
I think this is great to see some more engine variety, but the DSC article seems to say it is based on the current P2 not the old engine:

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he Gibson GL458 engine is a 4.5 litre development of the UK-based company’s highly successful ‘global’ LMP2 spec 4.2 litre V8
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 18:02 (Ref:3781058)   #41
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I've read in Racecar Engineering, Dallara built their LMP2 chassis firstly for DPi - so it should be bulletproof and rather heavy. I think they could not just modify aerokit and bolt AER-kettle on. The monocoque should be new.
PS Looks strange a bit. Don't think they can retain coloured front lights.
Strange? That looks wonderful imo! Nice branding there even in the headlight cluster. I hope they can keep it as long as the main lights are white.
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 18:06 (Ref:3781063)   #42
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Is quite unclear the meaning of that sentence (english isn't my main language)

BTW mystery solved:

SMP will field 2 AER powered BR1, managed and ran by ART GP apparently
dragonspeed will field a single gibson powered BR1.
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Besides, are there any photos of AER P60 aside from dailysportscar review (the review itself is great but there's only one photo there)? I think I've read an article about current AER engines, but can not remember where. Were there any deep analysis in Japanese Autosport? Kanji is not a problem for me with my translator) I'm interested in precise turbo location. And those louvres in the bottom of sidepods look similar to first iterations of Lotus/CLM01. Should be interesting to see, how cooling system actually works there.
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 18:29 (Ref:3781071)   #44
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Nice little detail with the lights there!
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Strange? That looks wonderful imo! Nice branding there even in the headlight cluster. I hope they can keep it as long as the main lights are white.
That was the first thing I noticed, and actually like it. I think tuned enough to not be too blinding at night with the blue, something I wish Georgia cops understood, they should be allowed to keep it. Although I'm guessing as bright as headlights have gotten it might disappear against the white headlights.
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