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Old 22 Aug 2009, 12:14 (Ref:2526053)   #51
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Agree for the most part - but with Vauxhall out of the picture, GM now only have Chevrolet in the UK market.
Vauxhall isn't dead yet.
A Chevy BTCC programme is always a possibility but I think unlikely. I expect funding would need to come from Chevrolet UK rather than Chevrolet Europe who currently fund the WTCC programme, and I don't know if the UK arm has that sort of promotional budget.
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Old 22 Aug 2009, 12:27 (Ref:2526057)   #52
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I agree with you about Chevy not joining the Btcc. While the Btcc and the Wtcc programs are unrelated, if Chevy should ever choose a replacement to their current drivers, in theory Jason Plato and Mat Jackson would be the first choices because of their relationship with RML.
True. My point was that neither are actually under contract to Chevy (as some people seem to think) and therefore it's not a case of moving seamlessly to WTCC. Plato has previously said that he's not interested in WTCC as it means spending too much time out of the country, although he hasn't specifically mentioned it the implication is that this would mean putting his lucrative TV career on hold. From a marketing point of view I would be surprised if they wanted an all English driver line-up.
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True. My point was that neither are actually under contract to Chevy (as some people seem to think) and therefore it's not a case of moving seamlessly to WTCC. Plato has previously said that he's not interested in WTCC as it means spending too much time out of the country, although he hasn't specifically mentioned it the implication is that this would mean putting his lucrative TV career on hold. From a marketing point of view I would be surprised if they wanted an all English driver line-up.
Yes, that's absolutely spot on.
I would love to see Nykjaer, I like him as a driver. The guy is very talented and a double European champion, I believe he deserves a go at the World Championship
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Old 22 Aug 2009, 15:56 (Ref:2526117)   #54
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True. My point was that neither are actually under contract to Chevy (as some people seem to think) and therefore it's not a case of moving seamlessly to WTCC. Plato has previously said that he's not interested in WTCC as it means spending too much time out of the country, although he hasn't specifically mentioned it the implication is that this would mean putting his lucrative TV career on hold. From a marketing point of view I would be surprised if they wanted an all English driver line-up.
From what I've heard too, Jason's personal sponsors require him to race in the UK rather than in international events.
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Would the new owners of GM Europe consider a factory or semi-factory team though?
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Would the new owners of GM Europe consider a factory or semi-factory team though?
I can hardly see that, as the new GM management group is the same as FIAT, and we've seen that the interest in motorsports is not much evident. I can see a dealer-backed project, for sure, also given the hig media-profile Jason Plato has and the fact that the Cruze might be available next year. Even if just 1 car, who says that they have to run only Cruzes or only Lacettis? A dealer could easily sponsor Jason Plato and give some backing for a Cruze, leaving RML some room to give the Lacetti away at a more reasonable price than before...!
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888 I see buying the Vectras and running them but only 2 cars entered.
This got me thinking, is it Triple Eight who own the Vectra's or Vauxhall. I assumed Triple Eight owned them, and were simply funded by Vauxhall, meaning they wouldn't need to buy the cars, but I'm not entirely sure how a works deal works. I suppose it depends on how the contracts are worded.
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This got me thinking, is it Triple Eight who own the Vectra's or Vauxhall. I assumed Triple Eight owned them, and were simply funded by Vauxhall, meaning they wouldn't need to buy the cars, but I'm not entirely sure how a works deal works. I suppose it depends on how the contracts are worded.
My understanding is Vauxhall own them however an agreement to buy them would surely be at a reduced cost to triple 8.

Well aware Jackson and Plato not under contract with Chevy and pay for the drives, larini and Menu are not really performing and it has been suggested one driver will go at the end of the year. Plato is connected to RML and knows the team now and is a top driver available therefore a logical choice for Chevy, nationality will not come into it, best drivers to take the Cruze to the championship.

Plato may have said he was not interested in WTCC but an offer from RML/Chevy he would take IMO, getting paid and not worrying about sponsership another added attraction.

However to specualte on 2010 is too early
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Well aware Jackson and Plato not under contract with Chevy and pay for the drives
I wasn't having a go at you. I've seen comments elsewhere to suggest there are people who don't get that distinction.

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Nationality does come into it, or rather a combination of nationality and talent.

Take BMW for example - In the UK all BMW's promotion is centred around Priaulx with the others barely being mentioned. If you want to promote to a UK audience use a UK driver. I'm sure if you went to Germany all you'd see would be Muller, in Italy it would all be about Zanardi, and Hernandez in Spain, all for the same reason. It's no co-incidence that BMW's effort is split up into national teams.

Let's say that Chevrolet had Huff, Plato and Jackson - that's great for promoting to a UK audience but what about elsewhere in Europe. As far as I know none of them speak fluent French, German, Italian, Spanish, etc with kind of limits any promotional opportunities.


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Well that at least we do agree on.

With Vauxhall gone the BTCC is increasingly looking at a privateer-only future (which is no bad thing) and as a rule privateers don't announce plans months in advance. Something tells me that a big portion of the grid we won't know about until the last minute.
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I wasn't having a go at you. I've seen comments elsewhere to suggest there are people who don't get that distinction.

I never took the comment personally



Well that at least we do agree on 2010 being to early..
I think we agree most times Redshoes, always enjoy your views.
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This got me thinking, is it Triple Eight who own the Vectra's or Vauxhall. I assumed Triple Eight owned them, and were simply funded by Vauxhall, meaning they wouldn't need to buy the cars, but I'm not entirely sure how a works deal works. I suppose it depends on how the contracts are worded.
I Believe 888 Own them because when the older vauxhalls were sold, 888 would give support to the indy Teams. but I'm not too sure.
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What are the chances of 888 running Volvo's next year?
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What are the chances of 888 running Volvo's next year?
Better chance than most..
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That could be a possibility, but I've also heard about Kia... I suppose it would be a waste to manage the cars with a Swedish team, and I believe that 888 are currently the best available team (in the sense that they don't have a works contract anymore). I believe 888 own the cars. I'm sure Vauxhall has more important stuff to think about than trying to sell 3 racing cars, so they leave it all to 888.
Nationality does matter, I agree with redshoes. Just look at the works drivers: there's no manufacturer who hired 2 drivers of the same nationality, except Lada who has Shapovalov, but even with Lada the new driver is Thommo, making it a Brit, a Dutch and a Russian. Marketing is all that matters in the sport, when you talk about manufacturers!
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Old 24 Aug 2009, 11:52 (Ref:2527233)   #65
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I Remember a while back in Autosport there was a small square saying that Team Parker Racing is Considering running A BMW 320si in 2010 alongside its PCCGB Programme.
It was in the magazine so i can't get a link.
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888 have the 3 Vectras up for sale in Autosport this week

"Triple Eight Race Engineering offer for sale their three 2009 VX Wauxhall Vectra British Touring Cars. Packages available - price on application".

Maybe its me - but it seems very soon to be offering them for sale if they don't know what they are doing next year.
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Not at all, its normal to advertise now. If they are in talks with a manufacturer, then it doesn't make sense to wait until the end of the season to put them up. And if they don't sell them and no-one else comes in (likely), then its not like they'll become slow cars over the winter.
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also in Autosport was a comment that Thorney Motorsport (see above) were considering a move to the BTCC.
Care to shed any light

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Another Touring Car website is reporting the Cartridge World/CVR have pulled out of the BTCC with immediate effect.
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Old 27 Aug 2009, 18:47 (Ref:2529433)   #71
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See the Silverstone race thread for more discussion on CW/CVR
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117925

Hopefully Cartridge World will be back as a sponsor in 2010 ?
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888 have the 3 Vectras up for sale in Autosport this week

"Triple Eight Race Engineering offer for sale their three 2009 VX Wauxhall Vectra British Touring Cars. Packages available - price on application".

Maybe its me - but it seems very soon to be offering them for sale if they don't know what they are doing next year.
So 888 are not going to keep the cars and run them next year, they also haven't accounted for the fact the cars may be written off by the end of the season with all the accident damage likely to come!
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So 888 are not going to keep the cars and run them next year, they also haven't accounted for the fact the cars may be written off by the end of the season with all the accident damage likely to come!
That is why it says... Packages available! It could be either, 'Sold As Seen' or 'Fully Prepared'!

And, NO, it has been said recently that 888 were not expected to run the Vectra's in 2010.
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also in Autosport was a comment that Thorney Motorsport (see above) were considering a move to the BTCC.
Care to shed any light

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I saw this too, with Tom Onslow Cole possibly returning! If im honest, I never heard of the Dunlop Sport Maxx Cup till i read about it today.

I havent read trhough the whole of this thread but Volvo look to be intrested in wtcc which may lead to a btcc team too, and theres rumours about Kia being intrested?
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Old 27 Aug 2009, 21:30 (Ref:2529564)   #75
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Welcome to the forum MotorsportDan.

888 have had Kia guests at races before but I don't know if anything more has ever come of it. I think for the past 4-5 years there's been a consistent rumour about Kia.
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