GTE / GTLM 2018, on the way to a new GT1 era

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by TF110

That monstrosity doesn't belong in GTE. I think the Ford GT is pushing it. This thing is a million dollar + semi prototype.

Everything McLaren makes today is a "semi prototype."

[canaglia]

About "prototype" issue, do we want to talk about a MR 911?

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by TF110

That monstrosity doesn't belong in GTE. I think the Ford GT is pushing it. This thing is a million dollar + semi prototype. I really don't understand why they'd do this car when they're doing a 720s GT3 which would suffice with some upgrades (or downgrades) and bop. It'd save the company money and could actually have customer cars for a reasonable price. If the base car costs over a million, imagine how much trying to run a private effort with it would be! I don't understand the logic in running it. But whatever McLaren decides, can't say they make the best decisions recently

This situation reminds me when the McLaren F1 GTR started to race in the BPR in 1995, neither car was as extreme as this one.

[EffectiveSprinkles]

Someone suggested it could be a replacement for the GT86 as a spec racer. Thoughts?

[hondafan37]

Good analysis of the future of GTE / GTLM in DSC.
Corvette C8 mid-engined, McLaren Senna, Lamborghini, Toyota Supra, Glickenhaus SCG 004 and TVR Griffith could be in the series in the future.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/0...s-staying.html

[carbsmith]

Originally Posted by Bentley03

And rumoured to be a GTE, yes?

Rear bodywork is too long and the diveplanes look too big for a real car.

[Mike E]

Originally Posted by TF110

That monstrosity doesn't belong in GTE. I think the Ford GT is pushing it. This thing is a million dollar + semi prototype. I really don't understand why they'd do this car when they're doing a 720s GT3 which would suffice with some upgrades (or downgrades) and bop. It'd save the company money and could actually have customer cars for a reasonable price. If the base car costs over a million, imagine how much trying to run a private effort with it would be! I don't understand the logic in running it. But whatever McLaren decides, can't say they make the best decisions recently

It is quite ridiculous, isn't it? If this is their GTE car.
Having said that, the whole 500 unit production run is already sold out. If there is to be a racing version, has anyone placed an order for this racing version? Or will they actually build more than 500 units?

Sportscar racing being what it is though, it seems inevitable that we will just see more and more expensive cars being raced until it all melts down and we start again. Again.

What really boggles my brain is the price difference between GTE/3 and LMP2/3. In performance per £/$/€ terms it defies logic.

[Mike E]

Here is a pic of that Supra.

https://twitter.com/stephenk22/statu...905437696?s=19

[Coach Ep]

Not a Super GT follower at all but could that be Toyota's new car for that series?

Either way, I think it looks good - much better than the uber ugly McLaren. And it's front engined!

[RedSquirrel]

Originally Posted by canaglia

About "prototype" issue, do we want to talk about a MR 911?

Why is there such a furore about the position of the current RSR's engine? The BMW M3 GT2 and Corvette C7R are similar to the Porsche but at the other end of the car.
BMW:

Corvette:
From this picture, the only bits of the Corvette's engine in front of the front axle centreline are some pipes/hoses.

The Aston Martin is similar, though pictures are harder to come by.
The M3 GT2 is the reason that Porsche can do this. One of the many waivers BMW applied for at the time was to move the engine well back in the chassis, almost into the cockpit.
That waiver eventually made its way into the regulations proper. The end result is that there is no such thing as a mid-engined car in the GTE regulations. The engine is either in front of or behind the cockpit. So there are front-engined (Vantage, M8, C7) and rear-engined (911, 488, GT) cars. The engine can then be moved fore or aft within that restriction. Chevrolet could do an Audi Quattro if they wanted to and put the engine between the headlights.
A manufacturer cannot, as Radio Le Mans/IMSA Radio have said, move the engine from in front of the cockpit to behind it.

Had to get that off my chest, it's been a bugbear of mine since the Porsche was announced.

[EffectiveSprinkles]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Not a Super GT follower at all but could that be Toyota's new car for that series?

Either way, I think it looks good - much better than the uber ugly McLaren. And it's front engined!

Not likely, they just brought out a new Lexus for GT500 and they have GT300 cars that don't need a replacement.

The above picture is fake by the way, it's some mockup by a random twitter user.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

Not likely, they just brought out a new Lexus for GT500 and they have GT300 cars that don't need a replacement.

The above picture is fake by the way, it's some mockup by a random twitter user.

Not a mockup - it's taken from Gran Turismo Sport.

[EffectiveSprinkles]

Indeed it is! Anyway, it's not the new Supra.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Matt

Not a mockup - it's taken from Gran Turismo Sport.

Right, it surprised me that someone really put that out there claiming it to be the car under the sheet.

[TRuss]

Geneva Supra GTE peek. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pFnpU2...ime_continue=7

[carbsmith]

Originally Posted by RedSquirrel

Why is there such a furore about the position of the current RSR's engine? The BMW M3 GT2 and Corvette C7R are similar to the Porsche but at the other end of the car.

That's the stock engine position for the Corvette and the BMW was never any kind of legal or reasonable to start with. (rather outside of the group just making fun of Porsche for the 911 being rear engined the M3 is just as disliked for being the car that started all this stuff)


Frankly I don't think almost anyone is aware of that particular section of the regulations, although you're right it's certainly in there now. The other one no one seems to be aware of is that the rules are worded such that you could use a stock hybrid assist system, somewhat like the Prius in GT300.

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by RedSquirrel

Why is there such a furore about the position of the current RSR's engine? The BMW M3 GT2 and Corvette C7R are similar to the Porsche but at the other end of the car.
BMW:

Corvette:
From this picture, the only bits of the Corvette's engine in front of the front axle centreline are some pipes/hoses.

The Aston Martin is similar, though pictures are harder to come by.
The M3 GT2 is the reason that Porsche can do this. One of the many waivers BMW applied for at the time was to move the engine well back in the chassis, almost into the cockpit.
That waiver eventually made its way into the regulations proper. The end result is that there is no such thing as a mid-engined car in the GTE regulations. The engine is either in front of or behind the cockpit. So there are front-engined (Vantage, M8, C7) and rear-engined (911, 488, GT) cars. The engine can then be moved fore or aft within that restriction. Chevrolet could do an Audi Quattro if they wanted to and put the engine between the headlights.
A manufacturer cannot, as Radio Le Mans/IMSA Radio have said, move the engine from in front of the cockpit to behind it.

Had to get that off my chest, it's been a bugbear of mine since the Porsche was announced.

Explained in few words:
You're right posting that bmw and corvette (and basically any other FR layout gte/gt3) placed the engine close to the center of the car, but in their road versions the engine bay is already behind the front axle!

While as far I know it simply doesn't exist a road MR "porsche made" 911. Simple.

[Bcarr6]

Supra Is designed to GTE but they have no plan currently to enter it in any series... yet


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[TF110]

GR Supra Concept

[Bentley03]

So, no McLaren Senna GTE announcement at Geneva, just the GT-R version.

No confirmed plans to race McLaren Senna GT-R

[canaglia]

So.... any new gte at all

time to drop lamborghini rumor too. Just too hype fever.

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by TF110

GR Supra Concept

This car looks fantastic and the McLaren Senna GTR looks great too.

[Coach Ep]

I have to admit the McLaren looks much better in 'race trim'. Also, the Toyota looks a bit outdated already imo, very similar to the outgoing CR-7.

[carbsmith]

The Supra isn't really a proper car, it has a few styling concessions. I imagine the only way you'll potentially see that program go forward is if Class 1 falls apart and Super GT moves to GTE based regulations.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by carbsmith

The Supra isn't really a proper car, it has a few styling concessions. I imagine the only way you'll potentially see that program go forward is if Class 1 falls apart and Super GT moves to GTE based regulations.

I think they're better off using the Lexus LC (maybe LC F if produced). I like the fact that they're bringing back the Supra, but I am not a big fan of this new one.