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Old 13 Jun 2017, 20:14 (Ref:3740963)   #91
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And this coincides with, in my opinion at least, the current LMP1 regs and their financial cost growing stale among the teams. When you have Toyota and Porsche agreeing in principal to limit chassis development, that should've maybe been a smoke signal that something was up.

This doesn't guarantee that either one will leave after this year. But it's a little too convenient in my view that we have critics pointing out that the LMP1 regs as they exist right now are unsustainable from a cost standpoint and with no one else wanting to come in right now, with dieselgate happening. IMO, it's just an excuse for VAG to cut losses and wait for the new rules cycle, which is the approach everyone else is taking. Especially when you consider that dieselgate hasn't hurt VAG's sales of diesel cars outside of NA (which were never high there anyways and all the fixed cars have quickly sold out), and that most VAG divisions are still making huge profits.

I still think it's more that politics within Volkswagen Group and between VAG and the ACO/FIA are at play, and it's probably more sensible to let the current ACO LMP1 regs run their course and wait for 2020. There's probably more to this whole story than what Audi Sport and others have shared publicly, and that's stuff that Hindy has also talked about with the Audi Sport pull out.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 00:19 (Ref:3741034)   #92
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There is supposed to be an announcement this week. I don't know if it's good or bad, but the WEC's twitter has been positive about a surprise. That could just be the AJ Foyt rumor, but I hope there's more.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 04:06 (Ref:3741064)   #93
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Only positive thing that I've seen the ACO mention is whoever the race starter is supposed to be. Dagys' tweet is leaning towards bad news.

I think that LMP2 stuff and maybe GTE BOP can be ruled out. That leaves LMP1 or the 2018 schedule, or maybe even the 2020 rules package.
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Only positive thing that I've seen the ACO mention is whoever the race starter is supposed to be. Dagys' tweet is leaning towards bad news.

I think that LMP2 stuff and maybe GTE BOP can be ruled out. That leaves LMP1 or the 2018 schedule, or maybe even the 2020 rules package.
Or he's looking for clicks on twitter? He threw out the bait, now people wanna know what it is, even if it might turn out to be another 'false alarm'.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 06:56 (Ref:3741082)   #95
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I wouldn't doubt that it's clickbait/self-promotion for SC365 (and before you dump on just him, Racer Magazine has been known to print sensational headlines for otherwise fairly mundane stories), though he's better connected than most of us on this board, and after seeing various programs go away, never materialize, or fail to deliver, nothing would surprise me.

Not to mention that Hindy has been talking of Porsche leaving again recently (a rumor that won't go away since Audi left), and Auto Motor und Sport's Motorsport Akutell print mag has hinted of that possibility.

Only thing I can say, if it's bad news, is what it's not, which is LMP2 stuff so far hasn't materialized, nor has anything outlandish (at least yet) in terms of GT BOP.

That IMO leaves us with something to do with LMP1 (possibly privateer related), or the 2018 schedule. Or, for all I know, GTE Am might be phased out/merged with GTE Pro, since GTE Am numbers have dropped big time this season, while LMP2 and GTE Pro numbers have gone up.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 08:11 (Ref:3741097)   #96
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Hindy has made a few passing comments that he expects Porsche will leave soon. Also says Audi will be back for Peugeot. I like Hindy but I think he's wide of the mark on those.
Porsche is most likely to pull out 2019 or 2020, 2018 or 2017 is too early.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 09:01 (Ref:3741110)   #97
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SC365 saying that Porsche are denying pull out rumors until at least end of 2018:

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/p...1-exit-rumors/

However, the MSA article was written by the same guy who predicted the Audi Sport pull out a few months before it happened and chronicled Nissan's troubles in LMP1.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 09:05 (Ref:3741112)   #98
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To me it reads like the program is on probation and the board won't stand for another season of uncompetitiveness. So if the team can win a few races and show that they have found ways to drastically improve the chassis for next year, they'll get the go ahead. If not, the plug will be pulled.

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Old 14 Jun 2017, 09:36 (Ref:3741118)   #99
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Difference is that Porsche were reasonably competitive last year, and only errors and bad luck in the first half the season kept the #1 Porsche from being a serious contender for the drivers' title. Granted, Audi dominated races at Nurburgring, Mexico, COTA and Fuji to come up short either due to freak problems, pit strategy, or Porsche getting luck with timing of full course yellows.

This year, Toyota are bearing the fruits of them stepping up their budget and commitment that was made in 2015 when it was clear they needed a new car, and fast. The 919 is now almost 4 years old as far as it's tub design, and it's not like the 956/962 or Audi R8 or Pescarolo C60/01 days where a chassis can be competitive for years.

But I have my suspicions that Audi continuing in the WEC was contingent on winning Le Mans last year, or having a shot at the manufacturers' title. If the LM win or the manufacturers' championship happened or looked likely, they might have stayed. But when LM didn't happen and it looked like the manufacturers' championship wasn't going to happen, it made it easy to pull the plug and cut their losses.

IMO, things with the rules package right now at LM and the WEC seem to be getting stale for those in charge of motorsports at Volkswagen Group, especially in terms of ROI on a dollar vs benefits basis.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 10:27 (Ref:3741123)   #100
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Basically for a short overall picture in LMP1, the teams and the ACO milked the current regs for all they were worth. And owing to the cyclical and volitle nature of road racing, things peaked for the current regs in 2015, and the bubble has burst and things will slide downhill until the new rules take effect. It's just simply that things in road racing, more than other motorsports, go in bursts and cycles where things peak, but most of the time things level out and stagnate in between.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 21:23 (Ref:3741377)   #101
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SC365 saying that Porsche are denying pull out rumors until at least end of 2018:

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/p...1-exit-rumors/

However, the MSA article was written by the same guy who predicted the Audi Sport pull out a few months before it happened and chronicled Nissan's troubles in LMP1.
If Porsche leaves you would think Toyota would follow? Privateer LMP1 car makers and perhaps many teams like Rebellion. Maybe GTE will see an increase in profile too because of it.

I would like to see it myself. We could use a good shakeup.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 02:20 (Ref:3741480)   #102
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Not to stir the pot any further, but someone at the Mulsanne's Corner Facebook page reportedly was told by members of both Toyota and Porsche's teams that they expect both to possibly leave the WEC soon.
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Not to stir the pot any further, but someone at the Mulsanne's Corner Facebook page reportedly was told by members of both Toyota and Porsche's teams that they expect both to possibly leave the WEC soon.
I really don't understand why you can't (almost ever) post the link immediately before anyone even needs to ask...

If it is in the comments, then the link of the main post. The group is restricted to members but at least those with access can see and rest can request access.
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It's in the comments, and you'll have to search for the SC365 article linked there to find the comments. Which is why I didn't bother to link to it, as well as the fact that not everyone here can see it:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/18574449098/

Employees from both teams have said that they expect one or the other, maybe even both, to pullout soon.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 05:33 (Ref:3741518)   #105
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"I've heard both Toyota and Porsche are going to announce an exit, from employees within both teams."

For some reason in this context and based on the way this was said this I have a feeling "an employee" here can mean anything up to a car dealer. So I don't find this very credible. Or is the one who said this supposed some insider? At least I don't recognize that name.

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