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Old 2 Sep 2017, 08:16 (Ref:3763679)   #1
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1 Million Place Grid Penalty

I know Dr Evil doesn't run F1 but why do they give ridiculous grid penalties.
Van Doorne had a 65 place penalty last race and now Alonso's got a 35 place penalty this race.
Hello theres only 20 cars on the grid,F1's supposed to be the apex of motor racing technology but they cant figure out how many cars they have on the grid...
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Old 2 Sep 2017, 11:14 (Ref:3763716)   #2
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It's bordering on infantile application of idiotic rules.... Someone has to see some sense - and soon!
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Old 2 Sep 2017, 12:20 (Ref:3763735)   #3
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morninggents should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
It's a fine example of the stupidity that has befallen F1 in recent years.
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Old 2 Sep 2017, 12:21 (Ref:3763736)   #4
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TzeiTzei should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridTzeiTzei should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridTzeiTzei should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
How else would you penalize them?
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Old 2 Sep 2017, 12:30 (Ref:3763739)   #5
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I've no idea - not even sure I would. I know that's simplistic and doesn't address the original issue, but the current rules make a laughing stock of F1.....
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Old 2 Sep 2017, 12:40 (Ref:3763744)   #6
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It's there to stop the rich teams from changing their engines for every session.

The laughter should be aimed at Honda and Renault, who just can't get their act together.
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Old 2 Sep 2017, 12:45 (Ref:3763746)   #7
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S griffin should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridS griffin should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridS griffin should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridS griffin should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Now Palmer and Hulk have been added. It just means quali is ruined before it begins. I can more understand a time penalty in quali, than a grid penalty
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It's there to stop the rich teams from changing their engines for every session.
Yeah, I know that. That's why I referred to the 'original issue'.
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Old 2 Sep 2017, 13:47 (Ref:3763772)   #9
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Should be easy to stop.
Instead of grid places, take away constructors points.

You might imagine it would stop rather quickly
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Totally makes qualifying look like a farce when half the cars in the top ten have grid penalties.
Whats the point in having qualifying if half the cars can't start on the grid position they qualify in?....
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Old 2 Sep 2017, 21:07 (Ref:3763886)   #11
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Nearly half of them start on the back row..How do they work that out? It needs sorting urgently and I think Ross will.
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Nearly half of them start on the back row..How do they work that out? It needs sorting urgently and I think Ross will.
Somewhere I read a report of Brawn's comments that suggested it would need to be addressed when the next engine rule changes come in. 2021 was mentioned as I recall.

Obviously once one has most of the grid on grid position penalties the large and absurd position adjustment number are required in order to correctly position the cars at the penalty end of the grid using comparative penalty point numbers.

Perhaps they could save money by abandoning qualifying and simply working out start positions based on the number of penalty points applied for changes at each race.
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Old 3 Sep 2017, 01:33 (Ref:3763939)   #13
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How about... a car with an engine penalty can't participate in qualifying at all?
The marketing team would implode...
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Old 3 Sep 2017, 07:57 (Ref:3763987)   #14
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Can anyone explain how The penalties are actually applied ? Verstappen has a 20 place penalty and starts 14th, Saint has a ten place penalty and starts 15th ? How is that possible ?
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Can anyone explain how The penalties are actually applied ? Verstappen has a 20 place penalty and starts 14th, Saint has a ten place penalty and starts 15th ? How is that possible ?
The F1 site lists the penalties as:
Alonso 35, Ricciardo 20, Verstappen 20, Sainz 10, Hulkenberg 10, Palmer 15

Applied to Qualifying
OrigDriPenNew
2VER2022
3RIC2528
4STR 4
5OCO 5
6BOT 6
7RAI 7
8VET 8
9MAS 9
10VAN 10
11PER 11
12HUL1022
13ALO3548
14KVY 14
15SAI1025
16MAG 16
17PAL1532
18ERI 18
19WEH 19
NCGRO NC

Which results in:
QualDriLines Up
4STR2
5OCO3
6BOT4
7RAI5
8VET6
9MAS7
10VAN8
11PER9
14KVY10
16MAG11
18ERI12
19WEH13
22VER14
22HUL15
25SAI16
28RIC17
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