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Gee, a mid season rules change because someone is whinging, that's a novel concept...the fizzy drink fools are behind it I bet...
I seem to recall a very recent (2011) mid season rules change which resulted in a ban on engine mapping changes between quali & the race that was most likely designed to slow down the same fizzy drinks salesmen... ...I wonder who was winging then? I also wonder why there was no outcry about it? |
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Do you all honestly believe that Pirelli are changing the tyres because of a few RB media comments? Come on.
They're changing them because the racing is becoming a joke and everyone is complaining about it, even Bernie. Pirelli won't give a damn about RB and who wins the championship, I very much doubt they have vested interest in helping a particular team win a 4th title. It's much better for the sport to have Kimi or Teflonso win the title this year than Vettel again. The tyre changes they made in the previous race EVERYONE agreed to, including Ferrari. It didn't seem to help at all, of course. The only team that really gets favoritism in recent years is Ferrari, everyone knows that. The fact they get a bigger cut than all other teams makes that clear. It does suck for Ferrari and Lotus that they got they have the most conservative cars on the tyres... ironic then that those are the two teams complaining the most about the changes... http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...-tyre-changes/ http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...modifications/ They're not thinking about the racing spectacle, they're thinking they should be the ones continuing to win. Personally, regardless of who's doing well, if I were running Pirelli I'd probably change the tyres as well. I want to see drivers going flat out, not the GP3 speeds we've got now. 4 pit stops I don't mind, but I do mind them all absolutely nursing the cars the entire race. |
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No one is actually suggesting how long the tyres should last for, or which cars these distances apply to. 20 laps? 30 laps? 40 laps The whole race? Mercedes? Ferrari? Which? |
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I am not sure I understand the "left over tyre" comment what is that really, what does it mean ??? The tyres should last a reasonable amount of time without falling apart..Do you want to listen to race commentary and engineers who talk about tyres for two hours, I don't.. Pirelli do a fantastic job otherwise they would not be there.. Fans need a bit less yick yack and more turn up the wick to 100% and lets get it on ! |
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The FIA have told Pirelli that they can only make changes to prevent tyre failure as opposed to reducing the number of pit stops for new tyres.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107487 Should make the teams at Enstone & Maranello happy. |
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Scott surely the tyres are all built to the same specs? I know during the MS domination era he was been supplied *special* tyres by Bridgstone, which I still don't understand completely to be honest..
Maybe you could explain ? I do not want to see any one team be it Red Bull of whoever to gain an advantage by applying pressure to Pirelli to have to make changes, but what I would like is tyres that are safe and not talked about as much, and that allow the drivers to race.. There are two schools of thought here of course.. One is that Ferrari and Lotus got it right and the other is that all the other teams did not.. |
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F1 show last night (Friday) they said Pirelli were keeping this years compounds but reverting to last years construction Straight over my head , anyone know how much difference this will make . I thought the compounds were the problem .
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And it is wrong. Pirelli have specifically stated now that their tyres were designed to hamper Red Bull.
Nobody has got anything wrong. Pirelli have went out of their way to destroy one team and have taken others with them. You can say that Ferrari's Bridgestone deal was unfair (it wasn't really, just annoying) but there was a flipside that bit them on the arse when the tyre regs changed and loads of teams defected to Michelin at the same time. This also left Bridgestone trailing a bit in 2006. No unfairness, simply ebb and flow of competition. It is far better to have teams working with their chosen tyre manufacturer to make as good a car as possible than this current ****-weak excuse for a series. |
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I wonder if that's partly due to the artificial nature of F1, i.e. DRS and multiple tyre stops and the fact there are just too many races for the casual race fan to keep up with?
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Didn't Hembery said something like "without these tyres Vettel would be half a second faster than anybody else" in China or Malaisya ? Don't remeber the exact wording and don't have a source, but it was close to that IIRC.
That's not confirmation that they deliberately did it with that purpose tho... But proves that with "normal" (that work as they should) tyres RBR would still be ahead. And well, Pirelli know that RBR have more downforce than anybody else (Hembery confirmed it too) and that the whole philosophy of the car is and has always been to sacrifice all the top speed on straights and maximise the speed through the corners. Isn't that enough information to be able to build a tyre that will harm them ? A lot has been said about this year's rubber, but as I understand it they have built a tyre that overheats and delaminates when it's put under great stress through the corners. That's what cars with high downforce levels do, put more weight on the tyres than others. Build these tyres on the last year of a set of regulations when you know they can't fight back unless they redesign the whole car and slow the development of next year's car, and voilÃ*! Coincidence, yeah must be. But if you had to scheme a malicious plan in the shadows to stop RedBull, this one could suit very well. Either that, or write a new rule that dictates triple World Champions aren't allowed to go over 250km/h, but that would be too obvious and you'd have to rewrite it if Alonso wins this year, so the first plan is better But people should not worry about RBR domination IMO, after various years trying to slow down this team with different regulation changes and prohibitions, finally something that works has appeared (coincidence or not). I'm sure the FIA and Pirelli are working very hard to figure out how to improve the tyres without benefitting them. |
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All of the teams had the same information about how the 2013 Pirelli tyres were going to behave, from the Brazilian GP (where they tested the 2013 hard tyre) onwards.
"The new rubber has a different structure compared to the 2012 tyres, using the current hard compound, but with a quicker warm-up time as well as deliberately faster degradation." http://www.racecar-engineering.com/n...yre-compounds/ Any complaints about Pirelli's 2013 tyre philosophy, should have been made then and not now. |
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You have to race on the tyres first don't you..The teams had very little testing..
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