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15 Dec 2008, 11:39 (Ref:2355118) | #1 | |
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Turn 8 at Clipsal
mnews tonight says theres an announcement in adelaide tomorrow from clipsal/cams about changing Turn 8 after the fatal accident there this year. Sad as that was, I hope theyre not going to screw up one of the best corners left in racing in australia by putting in a chicane oreven just slowing it down. It would be a great shame
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15 Dec 2008, 11:44 (Ref:2355119) | #2 | ||
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so long as it's not plonking a chicane Hamilton style in i'll be happy.
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15 Dec 2008, 19:10 (Ref:2355393) | #3 | ||
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No, they are not having a turn 8, the cars will run from turn 7 to turn 9, there will be no more mention of turn 8 - RIGHT!!!!
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15 Dec 2008, 21:20 (Ref:2355500) | #4 | ||
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Why don't they just use the old F1GP layout??
Brewery Bend had heaps more space to fall off and the bonus is that the straight becomes twice as long as it is now. |
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16 Dec 2008, 00:44 (Ref:2355629) | #7 | ||
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All they really need to do is make turn 8 a little wider in theory gove the cars a little room to the left if they get crossed up. Its not that quick a corner i Look at the kink at the end of Conrod or El Rouge at Spa in the F1, Yes there is concrete and yes it would not be a light tap but surely why wreck a perfectaly good course. Make turn 8 a little wider to the left let the big boys slide on through.
However in saying this the barriers (tyre bundles) which are used do offer protection but is there not some experimental inflatable ones overseas??? Mabye V8SCA could invest in a "trial" run befor they buy and see what they are like. |
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16 Dec 2008, 02:25 (Ref:2355680) | #8 | ||
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http://news.smh.com.au/sport/coopers...1216-6zgv.html
Australian motor sport officials have made changes to the Adelaide V8 street circuit following the death of NSW driver Ashley Cooper in this year's race in February. The Confederation of Australian Motor Sport (CAMS) said changes will be made to reduce speeds at turn eight on the circuit where 27-year-old Cooper crashed into a concrete barrier. CAMS Chief Executive Graham Fountain said a panel of inquiry had found the design of the circuit and the safety measures used in Cooper's car had not contributed to his crash which was the result of driver error. But Fountain said to reduce the potential of similar incidents at turn eight the inquiry had recommended the barrier line to be changed to cut speeds to a maximum of 195kph. Cooper died in hospital after suffering severe head injuries. |
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16 Dec 2008, 02:29 (Ref:2355681) | #9 | ||
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i think half the problem is if the drivers get that little bit more runoff they might end up using it every lap, not just in times of making an error, much like turn 7
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16 Dec 2008, 03:18 (Ref:2355693) | #10 | ||
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THat was the problem the 1st year of the 500's. It had a heap of run off and the drivers changed the line to suit.
Oh, and the Flaggies got told to stop calling all the wide running car numbers as RC didn't want to know about it. They narrowed it for the next year and kept fiddling with it until we got last years result. Last edited by PVDA; 16 Dec 2008 at 03:21. |
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This sucks, I hate it when tracks get neutered like this.
Turn Eight has jouned the Mulsanne and Eau Rouge on the list of once-thrilling track spots now flattened. I think Vman said it best: Quote:
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16 Dec 2008, 04:36 (Ref:2355718) | #13 | ||
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Immature response to someones death pplater.
I think CAMS got it right. (and yes PVDA, you can quote me) |
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16 Dec 2008, 05:52 (Ref:2355732) | #15 | ||
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Are drivers checked before the start of a races that their HANS device is correctly fitted?
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16 Dec 2008, 06:23 (Ref:2355738) | #16 | ||
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a tracks not worth visiting when people die or are dieing in front of your either. Too many bad injuries of late at v8 supercar events. in the last 3 years we have had some very serius injuries when in the prevoius 7 they were very rare |
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I actually agree with you Trev & CAMS. Short of going back to the old F1 layout they had a limited number of cards in the deck to deal to come up with a compromise to keep everyone happy. |
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16 Dec 2008, 07:26 (Ref:2355757) | #19 | |
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ok, im just relating this to bathurst, because it also has that high speed corner, but with obviusly alot more run off. Is the kink on conrod into the chase also too dangerous? we have seen some big offs in recent years with cars flying across the tack further down the track
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16 Dec 2008, 07:47 (Ref:2355767) | #20 | ||
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It was said when clipsal was first announced that they weren't sure the even would draw enough fans to warrant using the larger circuit. I'm sure they've blown the predictions out of the water in that case.
Turn 9 could be modified further to supply more runoff, but how much faster would the cars be on the GP layout, i thought they almost hit the limited on the back straight as it is now, so they'd just be on the limiter for longer. |
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16 Dec 2008, 08:04 (Ref:2355775) | #21 | ||
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Not if they change the allowed diff ratio.
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16 Dec 2008, 09:33 (Ref:2355828) | #22 | ||
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Why the need to change turn 8? Over the years it tested the drivers, yes DRIVERS. Unfourtunately , there was a death last year.
Now, can certain posters please explain to all, how the did a driver die from a left hand impact on a right hand drive car! Before you go off half cocked, take at least four deep breaths, count to ten and think about it. Yes over the years we have seen drivers die. The authorities have then held an inquiry, and deduced that it was: Driver Error, The track Conditions, The speed of the cars has increased and the track is now unsafe The internal safety systems need to improve etc etc Just like when we lost a Marshall at the Gp some years back. So if anyone has a copy of the report, or sat on the inquiry, then post and let us know. As for me, don't change it, make the track challenging to the driver, and lets see who can really drive. |
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16 Dec 2008, 10:38 (Ref:2355883) | #23 | ||
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I sure this has already been suggested by would the SAFER barrier as used in (dare I say it) NASCAR solve this problem without changing the corner.
The majority of accidents are turn 8 are sideway 'glances' into the concrete, so using Safer would at least absopt some of the energy from an accident. |
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16 Dec 2008, 10:42 (Ref:2355887) | #24 | |
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Birky, my understanding from the discusion about this, is that Safer barriers are not buily for temparary walls. there intention is for permament walls.
but that may have changed by now, 6 months latter |
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16 Dec 2008, 11:08 (Ref:2355916) | #25 | ||
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I thought it may be something like that, thanks peckstar
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